Andy - just so you know, these zeroing outs may in fact be in preparation for a correction. It looks like a new snapshot date has been established. This post from Oct 22 on Matt Cutts' blog is now PR0:
All of the posts after it are gray, meaning to me that pages not indexed after that point in time will not be included in the export, but his still being white from October 8th to that point (earlier posts all went green during the past export) tells me that this round actually just began, and the actual PageRank export has not happened yet. Going white if you have an incorrect PageRank is really normal iirc.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
I should possibly have pointed that out, you are right, as it is a frequent precursor to changes, though not normally so universal across all data centers.
Plus it seems to still only be a subset of those previously affected which is strange, as I would have expected those already in the path of the PageRank Reaper to be in it until they repented.
Michael VanDeMar
· 2 years ago
it seems to still only be a subset of those previously affected
Well, that subset, plus new pages, which might as I mentioned mean PR corrections. Let's hope so anyways. :)
jamie
· 2 years ago
Also this pr update may be in fact a huge backlink update. Check your sites backlinks, mine are coming back as zero on a few sites that use google api's.
Didn't Big g do an update two years ago in oct/nov.
Michael VanDeMar
· 2 years ago
Andy - just so you know, these zeroing outs may in fact be in preparation for a correction. It looks like a new snapshot date has been established. This post from Oct 22 on Matt Cutts' blog is now PR0:
All of the posts after it are gray, meaning to me that pages not indexed after that point in time will not be included in the export, but his still being white from October 8th to that point (earlier posts all went green during the past export) tells me that this round actually just began, and the actual PageRank export has not happened yet. Going white if you have an incorrect PageRank is really normal iirc.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
I should possibly have pointed that out, you are right, as it is a frequent precursor to changes, though not normally so universal across all data centers.
Plus it seems to still only be a subset of those previously affected which is strange, as I would have expected those already in the path of the PageRank Reaper to be in it until they repented.
Michael VanDeMar
· 2 years ago
it seems to still only be a subset of those previously affected
Well, that subset, plus new pages, which might as I mentioned mean PR corrections. Let's hope so anyways. :)
jamie
· 2 years ago
Also this pr update may be in fact a huge backlink update. Check your sites backlinks, mine are coming back as zero on a few sites that use google api's.
Didn't Big g do an update two years ago in oct/nov.
Vlad
· 2 years ago
I am not surprised at all.... At least in my case I clearly know why my PR is zero. And I do not anticipate letting Google crawl my site soon. My experiment is producing some very interesting results- not something Google would like to hear. But I guess they would not pay attention to me anyway.
My word to Malaysian webmasters is that they can very easily survive without Google. Just do what you do best. Google is dead as far as I am concerned.
Hmmm Matt spends $200? Buys a computer with an OS configured to pimp G? Hmm that must be very honest, upfront and without any other intention than to enlighten his readers about the new PC. I think I may just report him for paid links.
Clement
· 2 years ago
Vlad
As I have said many times, I like your courage. You have a huge fan in me. I am following your progress closely. If you achieve remarkable results, the search industry will be revolutionized.
Vlad
· 2 years ago
Clement,
Those are kind words. But I think people like Andy can revolutionize things, not some one like me!
I doubt my results will be remarkable. However I am taking a closer look on my "long tail" these days and to my surprise Yahoo and MSN are handling things (duplicate content) much better than I would have ever expected.
As to the strategy how to maximize Yahoo and MSN traffic there is none. In fact I am doing all those things I have learned to do to optimize my site for G. The difference is that I am focusing on "long tail" as Yahoo and MSN see it.
Thanks for your interest.
ny seo
· 2 years ago
we are finding that yahoo users, mainly women, convert much better anyway
ny seo
· 2 years ago
Yeah Vlad!
we should all stop crying and heavily plug mahalo and other alternatives
and I do agree with Michael, that they know their algo is fragile, their actions prove the case
while adsense sites pollute the search results they are chasing after tla's! and it is soo obvious that they have a vested monetary interest in keeping those MFA and scrapers in their publisher network
i do not know why they think we are soo stupid. if we can read and crack their algo, then we can easily spot their ulterior motives
they should be spending some of the billions of their "market cap" to hire 10,000 Russian programmers to fix it
and at least their FUD is working, look how they have us in disarray
James - DigitalKeyToInfo
· 2 years ago
It would seem that since Matt works for Google (a commercial enterprise) and frequently make positive reviews of Google, any link to Matt's log is really a paid link. At least by the standards Google seems to be using. It seems really hypocritical.
Vlad
· 2 years ago
I am not surprised at all.... At least in my case I clearly know why my PR is zero. And I do not anticipate letting Google crawl my site soon. My experiment is producing some very interesting results- not something Google would like to hear. But I guess they would not pay attention to me anyway.
My word to Malaysian webmasters is that they can very easily survive without Google. Just do what you do best. Google is dead as far as I am concerned.
Hmmm Matt spends $200? Buys a computer with an OS configured to pimp G? Hmm that must be very honest, upfront and without any other intention than to enlighten his readers about the new PC. I think I may just report him for paid links.
Clement
· 2 years ago
Vlad
As I have said many times, I like your courage. You have a huge fan in me. I am following your progress closely. If you achieve remarkable results, the search industry will be revolutionized.
Vlad
· 2 years ago
Clement,
Those are kind words. But I think people like Andy can revolutionize things, not some one like me!
I doubt my results will be remarkable. However I am taking a closer look on my "long tail" these days and to my surprise Yahoo and MSN are handling things (duplicate content) much better than I would have ever expected.
As to the strategy how to maximize Yahoo and MSN traffic there is none. In fact I am doing all those things I have learned to do to optimize my site for G. The difference is that I am focusing on "long tail" as Yahoo and MSN see it.
Thanks for your interest.
ny seo
· 2 years ago
we are finding that yahoo users, mainly women, convert much better anyway
ny seo
· 2 years ago
Yeah Vlad!
we should all stop crying and heavily plug mahalo and other alternatives
and I do agree with Michael, that they know their algo is fragile, their actions prove the case
while adsense sites pollute the search results they are chasing after tla's! and it is soo obvious that they have a vested monetary interest in keeping those MFA and scrapers in their publisher network
i do not know why they think we are soo stupid. if we can read and crack their algo, then we can easily spot their ulterior motives
they should be spending some of the billions of their "market cap" to hire 10,000 Russian programmers to fix it
and at least their FUD is working, look how they have us in disarray
James - DigitalKeyToInfo
· 2 years ago
It would seem that since Matt works for Google (a commercial enterprise) and frequently make positive reviews of Google, any link to Matt's log is really a paid link. At least by the standards Google seems to be using. It seems really hypocritical.
Leigh
· 2 years ago
I feel so lucky to be getting so much personal attention from G of late. Perhaps it would be easier for Google to come and beat me with their big stick in person to make me remove the paid links.
Leigh
· 2 years ago
I feel so lucky to be getting so much personal attention from G of late. Perhaps it would be easier for Google to come and beat me with their big stick in person to make me remove the paid links.
Sly from Slyvisions.com
· 2 years ago
All of this is just ridiculous. My site's PR has went down from a 3 to a 2, and now a 0. I know I shouldn't care about it, but it's stupid! And with the thing about not being able to write the words PPP or PayPerPost, etc., that just makes me want to puke.
All of this is just ridiculous. My site's PR has went down from a 3 to a 2, and now a 0. I know I shouldn't care about it, but it's stupid! And with the thing about not being able to write the words PPP or PayPerPost, etc., that just makes me want to puke.
I just got an email from TLA to remind us all to be more stealthy with our link selling and titling our link blocks, but even though I still have an unmasked affiliate link to TLA on one page that I haven't quite got round to removing, I survived the carnage.
Oh, and I just noticed yesterday one site I regularly frequent:
PageRank 7, but at the bottom of the left column, what's those three MARKETPLACE links? The right-hand ads are all nicely nofollowed, but...
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Ken they actually have an interesting directory as well in the right margin.
Ken Y-N
· 2 years ago
Andy - just spotted a bug - I typed nofollow into my post above, but it didn't appear.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
There are a number of bugs with the original but it isn't GPL. I have mentioned bugs to Denis by email, maybe I should.
I do plan to move over to Lucia's soon anyway
Making Sales Making Money
· 2 years ago
Is it possible to be more stealthy from Google? My instinct says no. To think all I wanted to do was create a blog/business To date I have been unaffected but why do I look at that tool bar every time I go to my site?
Ken Y-N
· 2 years ago
Just to follow up, Google finally caught up with me and slapped me down to PR3 from PR5. And I'd just finished deleting all mention of TLA too, although I still have, and don't intend to drop, TLA.
Japan Today's still sitting on PR7, even though using linkdomain on Yahoo! shows a pretty suspicious pattern of links for these linked sites.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
I am trying to monitor what is going on to get some clear signals.
I have actually thought of a way to plead reinclusion without making too many changes. Say you have gone through your outbound links and removed links (nofollowed) to sites that might be looked on as a bad neighbour.
You removing (with nofollow) TLA is a good idea, maybe also John Chow, but it seems currently that PayPerPost ranks for their own name, and there were lots of blog posts about PayPerPost that were compensated, so obviously based upon that PPP should be ok... But then in some things Google isn't quite logical.
Ken Y-N
· 2 years ago
Just in case you're still following this, Japan Today finally got slapped down to PR4.
Ken Y-N
· 2 years ago
I just got an email from TLA to remind us all to be more stealthy with our link selling and titling our link blocks, but even though I still have an unmasked affiliate link to TLA on one page that I haven't quite got round to removing, I survived the carnage.
Oh, and I just noticed yesterday one site I regularly frequent:
PageRank 7, but at the bottom of the left column, what's those three MARKETPLACE links? The right-hand ads are all nicely nofollowed, but...
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Ken they actually have an interesting directory as well in the right margin.
Ken Y-N
· 2 years ago
Andy - just spotted a bug - I typed nofollow into my post above, but it didn't appear.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
There are a number of bugs with the original but it isn't GPL. I have mentioned bugs to Denis by email, maybe I should.
I do plan to move over to Lucia's soon anyway
Making Sales Making Money
· 2 years ago
Is it possible to be more stealthy from Google? My instinct says no. To think all I wanted to do was create a blog/business To date I have been unaffected but why do I look at that tool bar every time I go to my site?
Ken Y-N
· 2 years ago
Just to follow up, Google finally caught up with me and slapped me down to PR3 from PR5. And I'd just finished deleting all mention of TLA too, although I still have, and don't intend to drop, TLA.
Japan Today's still sitting on PR7, even though using linkdomain on Yahoo! shows a pretty suspicious pattern of links for these linked sites.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
I am trying to monitor what is going on to get some clear signals.
I have actually thought of a way to plead reinclusion without making too many changes. Say you have gone through your outbound links and removed links (nofollowed) to sites that might be looked on as a bad neighbour.
You removing (with nofollow) TLA is a good idea, maybe also John Chow, but it seems currently that PayPerPost ranks for their own name, and there were lots of blog posts about PayPerPost that were compensated, so obviously based upon that PPP should be ok... But then in some things Google isn't quite logical.
Ken Y-N
· 2 years ago
Just in case you're still following this, Japan Today finally got slapped down to PR4.
Snoskred
· 2 years ago
Yep, I'm now a 0. A fellow blogger emailed me this morning to let me know - they knew I had vowed to stop checking PR.
I'm no longer a Google user. I use Dogpile for searches, Bloglines for blog reading, my own email server for email..
What Google are doing is potentially illegal here in Australia. It certainly breaches the trade practices act in my opinion. I am not a lawyer myself but it seems fairly obvious. The ACCC already has one case against them regarding sponsored link results. I may be the first blogger to contact the ACCC regarding this apparent breach of the law, but I do not believe I will be the last. I would suggest that any Australian blogger who has been affected should call the ACCC on 1300 302 502 (Australian callers) or + 612 6243 1305 (overseas callers) to discuss the situation.
In the meantime I can only suggest that we all stop using Google as much as possible. Vote with your mouse.
Snoskred
Suzette
· 2 years ago
I guess that's why Google never made official announcement on this - they won't confirm their commitment in antitrust/anticompetition activities, very serious case!
Snoskred
· 2 years ago
Yep, I'm now a 0. A fellow blogger emailed me this morning to let me know - they knew I had vowed to stop checking PR.
I'm no longer a Google user. I use Dogpile for searches, Bloglines for blog reading, my own email server for email..
What Google are doing is potentially illegal here in Australia. It certainly breaches the trade practices act in my opinion. I am not a lawyer myself but it seems fairly obvious. The ACCC already has one case against them regarding sponsored link results. I may be the first blogger to contact the ACCC regarding this apparent breach of the law, but I do not believe I will be the last. I would suggest that any Australian blogger who has been affected should call the ACCC on 1300 302 502 (Australian callers) or + 612 6243 1305 (overseas callers) to discuss the situation.
In the meantime I can only suggest that we all stop using Google as much as possible. Vote with your mouse.
Snoskred
Suzette
· 2 years ago
I guess that's why Google never made official announcement on this - they won't confirm their commitment in antitrust/anticompetition activities, very serious case!
Christoph Cemper
· 2 years ago
Wow... amazing funny end... so the "Google Friends" told PayPerPost ... ah - ikea - that they are looking for "keywords" in the body copy... LOL ... now that's a funny joke...
That'S another nice piece of misinformation and leading dummies into thinking google would restrict to doing such simple rookie-code checks ... frankly, even an lower than average coder can implement a lot more things to track down the blueprints of PPP within a couple hours
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
I am sure they are using much more sophisticated algorithms for some thing, but honestly at this stage why bother doing anything more complicated, as the aim seems to be FUD, otherwise they wouldn't take so long to take out everyone.
I am sure 50% of the bloggers or more using PayPerPost have written about them at sometime, especially using marketplace opportunities.
Why bother using an algorithm when they can just get an intern to do a manual check on 1000 blogs, as apparently they are doing some kind of manual inspection.
Obviously for TLA it is a little more complex, but they have been dealing with that for a long time.
Wow... amazing funny end... so the "Google Friends" told PayPerPost ... ah - ikea - that they are looking for "keywords" in the body copy... LOL ... now that's a funny joke...
That'S another nice piece of misinformation and leading dummies into thinking google would restrict to doing such simple rookie-code checks ... frankly, even an lower than average coder can implement a lot more things to track down the blueprints of PPP within a couple hours
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
I am sure they are using much more sophisticated algorithms for some thing, but honestly at this stage why bother doing anything more complicated, as the aim seems to be FUD, otherwise they wouldn't take so long to take out everyone.
I am sure 50% of the bloggers or more using PayPerPost have written about them at sometime, especially using marketplace opportunities.
Why bother using an algorithm when they can just get an intern to do a manual check on 1000 blogs, as apparently they are doing some kind of manual inspection.
Obviously for TLA it is a little more complex, but they have been dealing with that for a long time.
I seem to be one of the few affected by this, will be interesting to see what happens. I find it funny that they target me, yet leave sites that really promote the fact that they're selling links unscathed.
I'll just continue to work on traffic, screw PR ;)
Stuart
· 2 years ago
I seem to be one of the few affected by this, will be interesting to see what happens. I find it funny that they target me, yet leave sites that really promote the fact that they're selling links unscathed.
I'll just continue to work on traffic, screw PR ;)
Suzette
· 2 years ago
Hi! Andy, thanks for dropping by. I agree we don't have to worry about this recent event yet. I read somewhere, somebody's young daughter's blog does not accept sponsorships also got a PR0. I just wonder if anyone still have a PR at this stage? Or, everyone is gettin PR0? :)
Suzette
· 2 years ago
Hi! Andy, thanks for dropping by. I agree we don't have to worry about this recent event yet. I read somewhere, somebody's young daughter's blog does not accept sponsorships also got a PR0. I just wonder if anyone still have a PR at this stage? Or, everyone is gettin PR0? :)
Lisa Stewart- Free Blog Set-
· 2 years ago
Does using Page Rank as a method of punishing for bad behavior defeat the purpose of "Page Rank" in the first place:
PageRank is a link analysis algorithm that assigns a numerical weighting to each element of a hyperlinked set of documents, such as the World Wide Web, with the purpose of "measuring" its relative importance within the set. The algorithm may be applied to any collection of entities with reciprocal quotations and references. The numerical weight that it assigns to any given element E is also called the PageRank of E and denoted by PR(E).
Does the relative importance of a site change when you accept money for your opinion? Does it change bias? Does your opinion or research matter less when it has been paid for? Is the information on a site less right or relevant if there is a paid post beneath it?
Lisa Stewart- Free Blog Set-
· 2 years ago
Does using Page Rank as a method of punishing for bad behavior defeat the purpose of "Page Rank" in the first place:
PageRank is a link analysis algorithm that assigns a numerical weighting to each element of a hyperlinked set of documents, such as the World Wide Web, with the purpose of "measuring" its relative importance within the set. The algorithm may be applied to any collection of entities with reciprocal quotations and references. The numerical weight that it assigns to any given element E is also called the PageRank of E and denoted by PR(E).
Does the relative importance of a site change when you accept money for your opinion? Does it change bias? Does your opinion or research matter less when it has been paid for? Is the information on a site less right or relevant if there is a paid post beneath it?
Mike
· 2 years ago
As the response by both TLA and Izea suggests, the cull is being conducted manually. I've got not doubts about that. It's also not being done particularly scientifically either. A lot of my squeaky clean client sites got slapped for no other reason than association.
Let's face it, if Site A is committing the heinous crime of displaying TLA on their posts, it's not too difficult for a $10 an hour intern to look at the Webmaster Tools console for Site A and then apply an across the board slap to all the other sites without looking.
I'm pretty certain that's what they've done because some of my sites that weren't associated with my Webmaster Tools account escaped the slap totally.
Mike
· 2 years ago
As the response by both TLA and Izea suggests, the cull is being conducted manually. I've got not doubts about that. It's also not being done particularly scientifically either. A lot of my squeaky clean client sites got slapped for no other reason than association.
Let's face it, if Site A is committing the heinous crime of displaying TLA on their posts, it's not too difficult for a $10 an hour intern to look at the Webmaster Tools console for Site A and then apply an across the board slap to all the other sites without looking.
I'm pretty certain that's what they've done because some of my sites that weren't associated with my Webmaster Tools account escaped the slap totally.
Brandon Adcock
· 2 years ago
I would suggest taking down all images/badging associated with PPP and TLA. That is a huge flag that you sell links.
Brandon Adcock
· 2 years ago
I would suggest taking down all images/badging associated with PPP and TLA. That is a huge flag that you sell links.
ny seo
· 2 years ago
it has to be manual.
i can list hundreds of sites that should have been penalized, but remained the same
ny seo
· 2 years ago
it has to be manual.
i can list hundreds of sites that should have been penalized, but remained the same
Patrick Altoft
· 2 years ago
Andy your feed seems to not update very often, I seem to read your posts by finding them on the front page of Sphinn rather than getting them via my feed reader. Not that thats a bad thing I suppose.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Patrick that must be a thing with Feedburner I should really investigate, in fact this post isn't showing with Feedburner yet after 20 hours and their Feedmedic keeps showing some very strange information.
Not every post actually makes it to the front page even though it sometimes seems that way.
Patrick Altoft
· 2 years ago
Andy your feed seems to not update very often, I seem to read your posts by finding them on the front page of Sphinn rather than getting them via my feed reader. Not that thats a bad thing I suppose.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Patrick that must be a thing with Feedburner I should really investigate, in fact this post isn't showing with Feedburner yet after 20 hours and their Feedmedic keeps showing some very strange information.
Not every post actually makes it to the front page even though it sometimes seems that way.
Advice Network Writing contest
· 2 years ago
Ouch. We are the victims of Google's success. If I'm reading the text from PPP correctly, there are now words we can't say in out blogs without being penalized. That is just wrong.
Advice Network Writing contest
· 2 years ago
Ouch. We are the victims of Google's success. If I'm reading the text from PPP correctly, there are now words we can't say in out blogs without being penalized. That is just wrong.
Brown Baron
· 2 years ago
I just got a shiny new 0 heh. Looking at the comments here, I seem to be in great company.
Brown Baron
· 2 years ago
I just got a shiny new 0 heh. Looking at the comments here, I seem to be in great company.
James - DigitalKeyToInfo
· 2 years ago
I disagree very much about what is happening right now, I think this is just the start. The way it is being handled is even worse.
There should be no need for a "confession" to get Google to fix their mistakes. This seems right out of a communist dictatorship.
That said. the real debate was over years ago when nofollow was introduced. I think it is just a matter of time before all the search engines (they all promoted nofollow when it came out didn't they?)follow Google. I am not sure you can stuff the genie back in the bottle.
James - DigitalKeyToInfo
· 2 years ago
I disagree very much about what is happening right now, I think this is just the start. The way it is being handled is even worse.
There should be no need for a "confession" to get Google to fix their mistakes. This seems right out of a communist dictatorship.
That said. the real debate was over years ago when nofollow was introduced. I think it is just a matter of time before all the search engines (they all promoted nofollow when it came out didn't they?)follow Google. I am not sure you can stuff the genie back in the bottle.
Matthew
· 2 years ago
with all the pr drops, i also noticed that statcounter got its pr back and are sitting at 10
Matthew
· 2 years ago
with all the pr drops, i also noticed that statcounter got its pr back and are sitting at 10
Tee
· 2 years ago
Hey Andy, there's been talk for awhile now of boycotting Google because of this PR mess. I want to organize one for real. I mean a big, massive boycott... I'm not a big name blogger and I don't know as well as you about what tactics will work and what won't to get Google's attention and hit them where it hurts.
Hey Andy, there's been talk for awhile now of boycotting Google because of this PR mess. I want to organize one for real. I mean a big, massive boycott... I'm not a big name blogger and I don't know as well as you about what tactics will work and what won't to get Google's attention and hit them where it hurts.
As long as the SERPS stay, then pagerank doesn't mean a thing.
MIXED MARKET ARTS
· 2 years ago
As long as the SERPS stay, then pagerank doesn't mean a thing.
LR
· 2 years ago
In Europe G**gle penalized mostly directories with paid links.
LR
· 2 years ago
In Europe G**gle penalized mostly directories with paid links.
Dale Ng
· 2 years ago
Looking at all the comments here, I'm really in great company. My PR went down from 3 to 2 and then to 0 because I'm a PayPerPost blogger.
The thing is Google is victimising a small segment of bloggers leaving the vast majority unscathed. I'm sure Google hardly touched many of all the 85,000 PayPerPost bloggers.
Anyway, I think Google cannot penalise bloggers by taking away the PR because it will be making a great mockery of PR which is supposed to measure the importance of the page. Just because there is a paid opinion in the form of a sponsored post and link does not make the blog less important or relevant than if there is a not-sought-after opinion given.
Dale Ng
· 2 years ago
Looking at all the comments here, I'm really in great company. My PR went down from 3 to 2 and then to 0 because I'm a PayPerPost blogger.
The thing is Google is victimising a small segment of bloggers leaving the vast majority unscathed. I'm sure Google hardly touched many of all the 85,000 PayPerPost bloggers.
Anyway, I think Google cannot penalise bloggers by taking away the PR because it will be making a great mockery of PR which is supposed to measure the importance of the page. Just because there is a paid opinion in the form of a sponsored post and link does not make the blog less important or relevant than if there is a not-sought-after opinion given.
Simon
· 2 years ago
Good post Andy, as always. I honestly believe it comes down to Google no longer being in a position to make descisions over paid reviews / linking. They have too much of an interest in advertising now - they ARE an advertising company. That's a conflict of interest in my book; hiding behind the guise of "better search rankings" holds no water anymore in my opinion.
Google will start to lose popularity if it has been targeting the competition in this way. Maybe not yet, but looking at it in a broader sense, from open social to the new free mobile OS they are producing - they are positioning themselves to totally monopolise internet usage of the masses. If MS was considered evil for their desktop monoloply, how much worse is a monopoly of the web itself?
Simon
· 2 years ago
Good post Andy, as always. I honestly believe it comes down to Google no longer being in a position to make descisions over paid reviews / linking. They have too much of an interest in advertising now - they ARE an advertising company. That's a conflict of interest in my book; hiding behind the guise of "better search rankings" holds no water anymore in my opinion.
Google will start to lose popularity if it has been targeting the competition in this way. Maybe not yet, but looking at it in a broader sense, from open social to the new free mobile OS they are producing - they are positioning themselves to totally monopolise internet usage of the masses. If MS was considered evil for their desktop monoloply, how much worse is a monopoly of the web itself?
DontBeanIdiot
· 2 years ago
Andy, Why are you contstantly defending loser TED? Wear some pants, get out of the house and make some money in an honest manner.
DontBeanIdiot
· 2 years ago
Andy, Why are you contstantly defending loser TED? Wear some pants, get out of the house and make some money in an honest manner.
ScreenRant.com
· 2 years ago
Yup, PR 6 a month and a half ago and now zero. Traffic steady although this all makes me nervous. Google is perpetrating the ultimate irony: the only sites that will retain high pagerank are the ones to whom it does not matter.
Vic
ScreenRant.com
· 2 years ago
Yup, PR 6 a month and a half ago and now zero. Traffic steady although this all makes me nervous. Google is perpetrating the ultimate irony: the only sites that will retain high pagerank are the ones to whom it does not matter.
Vic
CrankyDave
· 2 years ago
Hmmmm... Google won't allow TLA to rank for their own name, but is only too happy to take their money for adwords clicks.
Dave
CrankyDave
· 2 years ago
Hmmmm... Google won't allow TLA to rank for their own name, but is only too happy to take their money for adwords clicks.
Dave
lucia
· 2 years ago
I was busy all last week and missed the excitement-- but my blogs rank got bitch-slapped too. Do I have any PPP posts on it? No. Do I have any Smorty ads? No. Review me? No.
Well... I think my bitch slap my prove this: Google can't identify paid links!
lucia
· 2 years ago
I was busy all last week and missed the excitement-- but my blogs rank got bitch-slapped too. Do I have any PPP posts on it? No. Do I have any Smorty ads? No. Review me? No.
Well... I think my bitch slap my prove this: Google can't identify paid links!
shelly
· 2 years ago
Kumiko's Cash Quests was just sold for $15,000 and her blog remains a PR5 DESPITE the fact that she admits making most of her money on TLA and Paid reviews. WTF! Why do the small blogs get hit down to 0?? What in the world is going on?
shelly
· 2 years ago
Kumiko's Cash Quests was just sold for $15,000 and her blog remains a PR5 DESPITE the fact that she admits making most of her money on TLA and Paid reviews. WTF! Why do the small blogs get hit down to 0?? What in the world is going on?
Lisa Stewart
· 2 years ago
In another upward climb on the roller coaster- one of Page rank Zero'd sites got back some of its PR today. PayPerPost/Izea disclosure still there as are posts. Site was a PR5 before it got zero'd out last week. A few hours ago a PR3. Traffic took a HUGE hit as shown in this graph (warning... not for the feint of heart): http://www.bigfootwebmarketing.com/2007/11/19/v...
Lisa
Lisa Stewart
· 2 years ago
In another upward climb on the roller coaster- one of Page rank Zero'd sites got back some of its PR today. PayPerPost/Izea disclosure still there as are posts. Site was a PR5 before it got zero'd out last week. A few hours ago a PR3. Traffic took a HUGE hit as shown in this graph (warning... not for the feint of heart): http://www.bigfootwebmarketing.com/2007/11/19/v...
Lisa
Jonathan Dingman
· 2 years ago
Here's something else interesting:
The Internet.com network was knocked down to PR4's.
Now I know for sure they weren't selling links. So why did they get knocked down? Maybe for inner-network linking?
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Jonathan, they actually have quite an unnatural linking structure in that almost all the links they receive seem to be to their home page, at least in Yahoo - it seems like more than 90%
Maybe that is from their other properties
It is possible that a large number of the links might have been from some kind of incentive.
Jonathan Dingman
· 2 years ago
Here's something else interesting:
The Internet.com network was knocked down to PR4's.
Now I know for sure they weren't selling links. So why did they get knocked down? Maybe for inner-network linking?
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Jonathan, they actually have quite an unnatural linking structure in that almost all the links they receive seem to be to their home page, at least in Yahoo - it seems like more than 90%
Maybe that is from their other properties
It is possible that a large number of the links might have been from some kind of incentive.
David
· 2 years ago
I don't care what payperpost says or their mercenary writers have to say. When I am in the role as a consumer I do not want to read "paid" reviews.
How many own and use the products and services they write about?
I read a paidperpost review today on a floor and tile company written by a 22 year old college drop out who lived at home rent free eating her mommy and daddy's food.
I will never buy a damn thing from a "paid" review. Do a survey among consumers and I'll be you find that the majority will not either.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Amazing insight David ;), but ultimately the same is true about affiliate links.
Effectively the quality of the content is down to the amount of time someone spends writing a review. If you spend a few hours on a review, and charge more for your time, then the quality of content is sufficient to get a large number of consulting offers, as happens with me, the vast majority I turn down because I don't really do consulting.
So, David, you're telling us that you've never, ever bought anything on the basis of an advertisement anywhere?
I take it that you built your own house as, of course, you wouldn't have bought from the paid advertisement that any estate agent had, would you?
I guess that you don't have a car either. After all, the car sales guy is getting paid to sell it to you and tell you how wonderful it is.
In todays consumer society, could you explain to us all just how you get your information?
I don't argue that all paid posts are wonderful. Many are total garbage. On the other hand, many are very thorough reviews of the service on offer and out of all proportion to the amount of money being paid.
In a lot of cases, paid posts blend into the background of the blog so much that it would be difficult for an outsider to know that one is paid whilst another is not. I would challenge anyone to identify all the finance posts that I've done which are paid for, purely by looking at the text. Likewise for the travel posts.
David
· 2 years ago
I don't care what payperpost says or their mercenary writers have to say. When I am in the role as a consumer I do not want to read "paid" reviews.
How many own and use the products and services they write about?
I read a paidperpost review today on a floor and tile company written by a 22 year old college drop out who lived at home rent free eating her mommy and daddy's food.
I will never buy a damn thing from a "paid" review. Do a survey among consumers and I'll be you find that the majority will not either.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Amazing insight David ;), but ultimately the same is true about affiliate links.
Effectively the quality of the content is down to the amount of time someone spends writing a review. If you spend a few hours on a review, and charge more for your time, then the quality of content is sufficient to get a large number of consulting offers, as happens with me, the vast majority I turn down because I don't really do consulting.
So, David, you're telling us that you've never, ever bought anything on the basis of an advertisement anywhere?
I take it that you built your own house as, of course, you wouldn't have bought from the paid advertisement that any estate agent had, would you?
I guess that you don't have a car either. After all, the car sales guy is getting paid to sell it to you and tell you how wonderful it is.
In todays consumer society, could you explain to us all just how you get your information?
I don't argue that all paid posts are wonderful. Many are total garbage. On the other hand, many are very thorough reviews of the service on offer and out of all proportion to the amount of money being paid.
In a lot of cases, paid posts blend into the background of the blog so much that it would be difficult for an outsider to know that one is paid whilst another is not. I would challenge anyone to identify all the finance posts that I've done which are paid for, purely by looking at the text. Likewise for the travel posts.
Arnold
· 2 years ago
Perhaps a silly question, but if they don't like paid reviews which, on the whole, are effectively the advertiser buying a link in context, then does that mean that they will be dropping the PR of all paid directories to zero too?
In many ways, that makes a lot more sense although I suspect that they'd have more than a few legal problems in doing it.
Also, I gather that from the PPP blog that it's a matter of having words like PPP, PayPerPost, ReviewMe and so on in your posts which is now getting hit. That does sound rather like supressing freedom of expression to me. Oh, sorry, I forgot that google doesn't believe in that in google.cn and so on.
Arnold
· 2 years ago
Perhaps a silly question, but if they don't like paid reviews which, on the whole, are effectively the advertiser buying a link in context, then does that mean that they will be dropping the PR of all paid directories to zero too?
In many ways, that makes a lot more sense although I suspect that they'd have more than a few legal problems in doing it.
Also, I gather that from the PPP blog that it's a matter of having words like PPP, PayPerPost, ReviewMe and so on in your posts which is now getting hit. That does sound rather like supressing freedom of expression to me. Oh, sorry, I forgot that google doesn't believe in that in google.cn and so on.
multippt
· 2 years ago
Looks like the PageRank carnage is still ongoing. I started to notice that there are now more and more sites getting hit by the total PageRank reset (most notably Izea).
multippt
· 2 years ago
Looks like the PageRank carnage is still ongoing. I started to notice that there are now more and more sites getting hit by the total PageRank reset (most notably Izea).
ScreenRant.com
· 2 years ago
Ya know.... call me paranoid but I do believe that I'm going to discontinue selling links on my site. I'll tell you what has me nervous: This has been the most step by step, or staged thing I've ever seen Google do. On my site:
PR6 -> PR4 -> PR3 -> PR0
I'm assuming that at each stage perhaps, the site was being checked to see whether the paid links had been removed.
My worry? That the next stage will FINALLY be impact in the SERPs, especially in view of the fact they've added the paid link is a no-no paragraph to their webmaster guidelines.
Vic
ScreenRant.com
· 2 years ago
Ya know.... call me paranoid but I do believe that I'm going to discontinue selling links on my site. I'll tell you what has me nervous: This has been the most step by step, or staged thing I've ever seen Google do. On my site:
PR6 -> PR4 -> PR3 -> PR0
I'm assuming that at each stage perhaps, the site was being checked to see whether the paid links had been removed.
My worry? That the next stage will FINALLY be impact in the SERPs, especially in view of the fact they've added the paid link is a no-no paragraph to their webmaster guidelines.
I've just had my pagerank reinstated too. I was remove early in December and I requested re-inclusion 2 times and it finally worked. Andy I sent you an email via you contact form, but I guess you get many requests.
Anyway I am a happy camper !
Becky
· 1 year ago
I've just had my pagerank reinstated too. I was remove early in December and I requested re-inclusion 2 times and it finally worked. Andy I sent you an email via you contact form, but I guess you get many requests.
Anyway I am a happy camper !
News for all
· 1 year ago
Another pagerank update happened a few days ago.
News for all
· 1 year ago
Another pagerank update happened a few days ago.
PureAgeless
· 1 year ago
Thank you for this informative article. I have had my blog for just over a year now. I review products and services and have not used "nofollow" not because I'm nice, but just because I was not aware of this "game" from the powers that be. I have given tons and tons of "link love" - I'm feeling like the Mother Teresa of Link Love. My page rank has never changed from a zero. I am just starting to learn why. My site includes a database of doctors who prescribe a certain type of medication and a database of a certain type of pharmacy which is able to make up this medicine (bioidentical hormones). It is the first site that gives readers this type of information all in one place. One these pages, I link out to each and every doctor and (compounding) pharmacy. This is the first site in Canada and the U.S. to do this. I report the latest health research in the media. Link out to each and every source story. All without the nofollow. I have also commented and contributed to quite a few websites and could not understand why I had so few "backlinks". I think my site has value - at least by my ever growing readership I believe it does and the (verbal) comments I have received from doctors and pharmacists. Well, now I know. I suppose I have to go and download a "no follow" plugin now. It's a shame really in the blogging world when blogging was supposed to be about Web 2.0 and its theory that content would now be generated by both the creator and the reader. Will a cloud of silence fall upon the blogsphere? The last few days I have been checking the sites I've been commenting on. Yes, indeed, they have "nofollow" in the code in the View Source. I'm thinking this is sort of ridiculous. I can't understand why Google became the God of the internet. Why is it illegal to sell links? Is the blog/website owner not the owner of a business? Can they not determine how they are to generate income? Okay, okay, I'll go download that "no follow" plugin and try and figure out which links to add nofollow to and which not to. That's going to take me hours and hours and hours instead of doing my research and article writing. Sorry for the long comment, I'm just a bit peeved. And if you do follow this posting, thank you so much. I'll be back to your site because there's obviously A Lot for me to learn.
PureAgeless
· 1 year ago
Thank you for this informative article. I have had my blog for just over a year now. I review products and services and have not used "nofollow" not because I'm nice, but just because I was not aware of this "game" from the powers that be. I have given tons and tons of "link love" - I'm feeling like the Mother Teresa of Link Love. My page rank has never changed from a zero. I am just starting to learn why. My site includes a database of doctors who prescribe a certain type of medication and a database of a certain type of pharmacy which is able to make up this medicine (bioidentical hormones). It is the first site that gives readers this type of information all in one place. One these pages, I link out to each and every doctor and (compounding) pharmacy. This is the first site in Canada and the U.S. to do this. I report the latest health research in the media. Link out to each and every source story. All without the nofollow. I have also commented and contributed to quite a few websites and could not understand why I had so few "backlinks". I think my site has value - at least by my ever growing readership I believe it does and the (verbal) comments I have received from doctors and pharmacists. Well, now I know. I suppose I have to go and download a "no follow" plugin now. It's a shame really in the blogging world when blogging was supposed to be about Web 2.0 and its theory that content would now be generated by both the creator and the reader. Will a cloud of silence fall upon the blogsphere? The last few days I have been checking the sites I've been commenting on. Yes, indeed, they have "nofollow" in the code in the View Source. I'm thinking this is sort of ridiculous. I can't understand why Google became the God of the internet. Why is it illegal to sell links? Is the blog/website owner not the owner of a business? Can they not determine how they are to generate income? Okay, okay, I'll go download that "no follow" plugin and try and figure out which links to add nofollow to and which not to. That's going to take me hours and hours and hours instead of doing my research and article writing. Sorry for the long comment, I'm just a bit peeved. And if you do follow this posting, thank you so much. I'll be back to your site because there's obviously A Lot for me to learn.
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http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/engineering-group...
All of the posts after it are gray, meaning to me that pages not indexed after that point in time will not be included in the export, but his still being white from October 8th to that point (earlier posts all went green during the past export) tells me that this round actually just began, and the actual PageRank export has not happened yet. Going white if you have an incorrect PageRank is really normal iirc.
Plus it seems to still only be a subset of those previously affected which is strange, as I would have expected those already in the path of the PageRank Reaper to be in it until they repented.
Well, that subset, plus new pages, which might as I mentioned mean PR corrections. Let's hope so anyways. :)
Didn't Big g do an update two years ago in oct/nov.
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/engineering-group...
All of the posts after it are gray, meaning to me that pages not indexed after that point in time will not be included in the export, but his still being white from October 8th to that point (earlier posts all went green during the past export) tells me that this round actually just began, and the actual PageRank export has not happened yet. Going white if you have an incorrect PageRank is really normal iirc.
Plus it seems to still only be a subset of those previously affected which is strange, as I would have expected those already in the path of the PageRank Reaper to be in it until they repented.
Well, that subset, plus new pages, which might as I mentioned mean PR corrections. Let's hope so anyways. :)
Didn't Big g do an update two years ago in oct/nov.
My word to Malaysian webmasters is that they can very easily survive without Google. Just do what you do best. Google is dead as far as I am concerned.
Hmmm Matt spends $200? Buys a computer with an OS configured to pimp G? Hmm that must be very honest, upfront and without any other intention than to enlighten his readers about the new PC. I think I may just report him for paid links.
As I have said many times, I like your courage. You have a huge fan in me. I am following your progress closely. If you achieve remarkable results, the search industry will be revolutionized.
Those are kind words. But I think people like Andy can revolutionize things, not some one like me!
I doubt my results will be remarkable. However I am taking a closer look on my "long tail" these days and to my surprise Yahoo and MSN are handling things (duplicate content) much better than I would have ever expected.
As to the strategy how to maximize Yahoo and MSN traffic there is none. In fact I am doing all those things I have learned to do to optimize my site for G. The difference is that I am focusing on "long tail" as Yahoo and MSN see it.
Thanks for your interest.
we should all stop crying and heavily plug mahalo and other alternatives
and I do agree with Michael, that they know their algo is fragile, their actions prove the case
while adsense sites pollute the search results they are chasing after tla's! and it is soo obvious that they have a vested monetary interest in keeping those MFA and scrapers in their publisher network
i do not know why they think we are soo stupid. if we can read and crack their algo, then we can easily spot their ulterior motives
they should be spending some of the billions of their "market cap" to hire 10,000 Russian programmers to fix it
and at least their FUD is working, look how they have us in disarray
It seems really hypocritical.
My word to Malaysian webmasters is that they can very easily survive without Google. Just do what you do best. Google is dead as far as I am concerned.
Hmmm Matt spends $200? Buys a computer with an OS configured to pimp G? Hmm that must be very honest, upfront and without any other intention than to enlighten his readers about the new PC. I think I may just report him for paid links.
As I have said many times, I like your courage. You have a huge fan in me. I am following your progress closely. If you achieve remarkable results, the search industry will be revolutionized.
Those are kind words. But I think people like Andy can revolutionize things, not some one like me!
I doubt my results will be remarkable. However I am taking a closer look on my "long tail" these days and to my surprise Yahoo and MSN are handling things (duplicate content) much better than I would have ever expected.
As to the strategy how to maximize Yahoo and MSN traffic there is none. In fact I am doing all those things I have learned to do to optimize my site for G. The difference is that I am focusing on "long tail" as Yahoo and MSN see it.
Thanks for your interest.
we should all stop crying and heavily plug mahalo and other alternatives
and I do agree with Michael, that they know their algo is fragile, their actions prove the case
while adsense sites pollute the search results they are chasing after tla's! and it is soo obvious that they have a vested monetary interest in keeping those MFA and scrapers in their publisher network
i do not know why they think we are soo stupid. if we can read and crack their algo, then we can easily spot their ulterior motives
they should be spending some of the billions of their "market cap" to hire 10,000 Russian programmers to fix it
and at least their FUD is working, look how they have us in disarray
It seems really hypocritical.
Sly from Slyvisions.com
Sly from Slyvisions.com
Oh, and I just noticed yesterday one site I regularly frequent:
http://www.japantoday.com
PageRank 7, but at the bottom of the left column, what's those three MARKETPLACE links? The right-hand ads are all nicely nofollowed, but...
I do plan to move over to Lucia's soon anyway
To date I have been unaffected but why do I look at that tool bar every time I go to my site?
Japan Today's still sitting on PR7, even though using linkdomain on Yahoo! shows a pretty suspicious pattern of links for these linked sites.
I have actually thought of a way to plead reinclusion without making too many changes. Say you have gone through your outbound links and removed links (nofollowed) to sites that might be looked on as a bad neighbour.
You removing (with nofollow) TLA is a good idea, maybe also John Chow, but it seems currently that PayPerPost ranks for their own name, and there were lots of blog posts about PayPerPost that were compensated, so obviously based upon that PPP should be ok...
But then in some things Google isn't quite logical.
Oh, and I just noticed yesterday one site I regularly frequent:
http://www.japantoday.com
PageRank 7, but at the bottom of the left column, what's those three MARKETPLACE links? The right-hand ads are all nicely nofollowed, but...
I do plan to move over to Lucia's soon anyway
To date I have been unaffected but why do I look at that tool bar every time I go to my site?
Japan Today's still sitting on PR7, even though using linkdomain on Yahoo! shows a pretty suspicious pattern of links for these linked sites.
I have actually thought of a way to plead reinclusion without making too many changes. Say you have gone through your outbound links and removed links (nofollowed) to sites that might be looked on as a bad neighbour.
You removing (with nofollow) TLA is a good idea, maybe also John Chow, but it seems currently that PayPerPost ranks for their own name, and there were lots of blog posts about PayPerPost that were compensated, so obviously based upon that PPP should be ok...
But then in some things Google isn't quite logical.
I'm no longer a Google user. I use Dogpile for searches, Bloglines for blog reading, my own email server for email..
What Google are doing is potentially illegal here in Australia. It certainly breaches the trade practices act in my opinion. I am not a lawyer myself but it seems fairly obvious. The ACCC already has one case against them regarding sponsored link results. I may be the first blogger to contact the ACCC regarding this apparent breach of the law, but I do not believe I will be the last. I would suggest that any Australian blogger who has been affected should call the ACCC on 1300 302 502 (Australian callers) or + 612 6243 1305 (overseas callers) to discuss the situation.
In the meantime I can only suggest that we all stop using Google as much as possible. Vote with your mouse.
Snoskred
I'm no longer a Google user. I use Dogpile for searches, Bloglines for blog reading, my own email server for email..
What Google are doing is potentially illegal here in Australia. It certainly breaches the trade practices act in my opinion. I am not a lawyer myself but it seems fairly obvious. The ACCC already has one case against them regarding sponsored link results. I may be the first blogger to contact the ACCC regarding this apparent breach of the law, but I do not believe I will be the last. I would suggest that any Australian blogger who has been affected should call the ACCC on 1300 302 502 (Australian callers) or + 612 6243 1305 (overseas callers) to discuss the situation.
In the meantime I can only suggest that we all stop using Google as much as possible. Vote with your mouse.
Snoskred
That'S another nice piece of misinformation and leading dummies into thinking google would restrict to doing such simple rookie-code checks ... frankly, even an lower than average coder can implement a lot more things to track down the blueprints of PPP within a couple hours
I am sure 50% of the bloggers or more using PayPerPost have written about them at sometime, especially using marketplace opportunities.
Why bother using an algorithm when they can just get an intern to do a manual check on 1000 blogs, as apparently they are doing some kind of manual inspection.
Obviously for TLA it is a little more complex, but they have been dealing with that for a long time.
Sebastian had a cracking and extremely linkworthy article a few days back on one of the other services.
That'S another nice piece of misinformation and leading dummies into thinking google would restrict to doing such simple rookie-code checks ... frankly, even an lower than average coder can implement a lot more things to track down the blueprints of PPP within a couple hours
I am sure 50% of the bloggers or more using PayPerPost have written about them at sometime, especially using marketplace opportunities.
Why bother using an algorithm when they can just get an intern to do a manual check on 1000 blogs, as apparently they are doing some kind of manual inspection.
Obviously for TLA it is a little more complex, but they have been dealing with that for a long time.
Sebastian had a cracking and extremely linkworthy article a few days back on one of the other services.
I'll just continue to work on traffic, screw PR ;)
I'll just continue to work on traffic, screw PR ;)
Does the relative importance of a site change when you accept money for your opinion? Does it change bias? Does your opinion or research matter less when it has been paid for? Is the information on a site less right or relevant if there is a paid post beneath it?
Does the relative importance of a site change when you accept money for your opinion? Does it change bias? Does your opinion or research matter less when it has been paid for? Is the information on a site less right or relevant if there is a paid post beneath it?
Let's face it, if Site A is committing the heinous crime of displaying TLA on their posts, it's not too difficult for a $10 an hour intern to look at the Webmaster Tools console for Site A and then apply an across the board slap to all the other sites without looking.
I'm pretty certain that's what they've done because some of my sites that weren't associated with my Webmaster Tools account escaped the slap totally.
Let's face it, if Site A is committing the heinous crime of displaying TLA on their posts, it's not too difficult for a $10 an hour intern to look at the Webmaster Tools console for Site A and then apply an across the board slap to all the other sites without looking.
I'm pretty certain that's what they've done because some of my sites that weren't associated with my Webmaster Tools account escaped the slap totally.
i can list hundreds of sites that should have been penalized, but remained the same
i can list hundreds of sites that should have been penalized, but remained the same
Not every post actually makes it to the front page even though it sometimes seems that way.
Not every post actually makes it to the front page even though it sometimes seems that way.
There should be no need for a "confession" to get Google to fix their mistakes. This seems right out of a communist dictatorship.
That said. the real debate was over years ago when nofollow was introduced. I think it is just a matter of time before all the search engines (they all promoted nofollow when it came out didn't they?)follow Google. I am not sure you can stuff the genie back in the bottle.
There should be no need for a "confession" to get Google to fix their mistakes. This seems right out of a communist dictatorship.
That said. the real debate was over years ago when nofollow was introduced. I think it is just a matter of time before all the search engines (they all promoted nofollow when it came out didn't they?)follow Google. I am not sure you can stuff the genie back in the bottle.
I'm wondering if you want to be our leader. LOL.
I started a thread about it over at PPP. http://boards.payperpost.com/viewtopic.php?t=9574
I'm wondering if you want to be our leader. LOL.
I started a thread about it over at PPP. http://boards.payperpost.com/viewtopic.php?t=9574
The thing is Google is victimising a small segment of bloggers leaving the vast majority unscathed. I'm sure Google hardly touched many of all the 85,000 PayPerPost bloggers.
Anyway, I think Google cannot penalise bloggers by taking away the PR because it will be making a great mockery of PR which is supposed to measure the importance of the page. Just because there is a paid opinion in the form of a sponsored post and link does not make the blog less important or relevant than if there is a not-sought-after opinion given.
The thing is Google is victimising a small segment of bloggers leaving the vast majority unscathed. I'm sure Google hardly touched many of all the 85,000 PayPerPost bloggers.
Anyway, I think Google cannot penalise bloggers by taking away the PR because it will be making a great mockery of PR which is supposed to measure the importance of the page. Just because there is a paid opinion in the form of a sponsored post and link does not make the blog less important or relevant than if there is a not-sought-after opinion given.
Google will start to lose popularity if it has been targeting the competition in this way. Maybe not yet, but looking at it in a broader sense, from open social to the new free mobile OS they are producing - they are positioning themselves to totally monopolise internet usage of the masses. If MS was considered evil for their desktop monoloply, how much worse is a monopoly of the web itself?
Google will start to lose popularity if it has been targeting the competition in this way. Maybe not yet, but looking at it in a broader sense, from open social to the new free mobile OS they are producing - they are positioning themselves to totally monopolise internet usage of the masses. If MS was considered evil for their desktop monoloply, how much worse is a monopoly of the web itself?
Why are you contstantly defending loser TED? Wear some pants, get out of the house and make some money in an honest manner.
Why are you contstantly defending loser TED? Wear some pants, get out of the house and make some money in an honest manner.
Vic
Vic
Dave
Dave
Well... I think my bitch slap my prove this: Google can't identify paid links!
Well... I think my bitch slap my prove this: Google can't identify paid links!
Site was a PR5 before it got zero'd out last week. A few hours ago a PR3. Traffic took a HUGE hit as shown in this graph (warning... not for the feint of heart):
http://www.bigfootwebmarketing.com/2007/11/19/v...
Lisa
Site was a PR5 before it got zero'd out last week. A few hours ago a PR3. Traffic took a HUGE hit as shown in this graph (warning... not for the feint of heart):
http://www.bigfootwebmarketing.com/2007/11/19/v...
Lisa
The Internet.com network was knocked down to PR4's.
Internet.com, internetnews.com, graphics.com, devx.com, all which used to be either PR7 or PR8's.
Now I know for sure they weren't selling links. So why did they get knocked down? Maybe for inner-network linking?
Maybe that is from their other properties
It is possible that a large number of the links might have been from some kind of incentive.
The Internet.com network was knocked down to PR4's.
Internet.com, internetnews.com, graphics.com, devx.com, all which used to be either PR7 or PR8's.
Now I know for sure they weren't selling links. So why did they get knocked down? Maybe for inner-network linking?
Maybe that is from their other properties
It is possible that a large number of the links might have been from some kind of incentive.
How many own and use the products and services they write about?
I read a paidperpost review today on a floor and tile company written by a 22 year old college drop out who lived at home rent free eating her mommy and daddy's food.
I will never buy a damn thing from a "paid" review. Do a survey among consumers and I'll be you find that the majority will not either.
Effectively the quality of the content is down to the amount of time someone spends writing a review.
If you spend a few hours on a review, and charge more for your time, then the quality of content is sufficient to get a large number of consulting offers, as happens with me, the vast majority I turn down because I don't really do consulting.
Here is an example of a paid review that triggered a lot of work offers.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/06/wordpress-seo-maste...
I take it that you built your own house as, of course, you wouldn't have bought from the paid advertisement that any estate agent had, would you?
I guess that you don't have a car either. After all, the car sales guy is getting paid to sell it to you and tell you how wonderful it is.
In todays consumer society, could you explain to us all just how you get your information?
I don't argue that all paid posts are wonderful. Many are total garbage. On the other hand, many are very thorough reviews of the service on offer and out of all proportion to the amount of money being paid.
In a lot of cases, paid posts blend into the background of the blog so much that it would be difficult for an outsider to know that one is paid whilst another is not. I would challenge anyone to identify all the finance posts that I've done which are paid for, purely by looking at the text. Likewise for the travel posts.
How many own and use the products and services they write about?
I read a paidperpost review today on a floor and tile company written by a 22 year old college drop out who lived at home rent free eating her mommy and daddy's food.
I will never buy a damn thing from a "paid" review. Do a survey among consumers and I'll be you find that the majority will not either.
Effectively the quality of the content is down to the amount of time someone spends writing a review.
If you spend a few hours on a review, and charge more for your time, then the quality of content is sufficient to get a large number of consulting offers, as happens with me, the vast majority I turn down because I don't really do consulting.
Here is an example of a paid review that triggered a lot of work offers.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/06/wordpress-seo-maste...
I take it that you built your own house as, of course, you wouldn't have bought from the paid advertisement that any estate agent had, would you?
I guess that you don't have a car either. After all, the car sales guy is getting paid to sell it to you and tell you how wonderful it is.
In todays consumer society, could you explain to us all just how you get your information?
I don't argue that all paid posts are wonderful. Many are total garbage. On the other hand, many are very thorough reviews of the service on offer and out of all proportion to the amount of money being paid.
In a lot of cases, paid posts blend into the background of the blog so much that it would be difficult for an outsider to know that one is paid whilst another is not. I would challenge anyone to identify all the finance posts that I've done which are paid for, purely by looking at the text. Likewise for the travel posts.
In many ways, that makes a lot more sense although I suspect that they'd have more than a few legal problems in doing it.
Also, I gather that from the PPP blog that it's a matter of having words like PPP, PayPerPost, ReviewMe and so on in your posts which is now getting hit. That does sound rather like supressing freedom of expression to me. Oh, sorry, I forgot that google doesn't believe in that in google.cn and so on.
In many ways, that makes a lot more sense although I suspect that they'd have more than a few legal problems in doing it.
Also, I gather that from the PPP blog that it's a matter of having words like PPP, PayPerPost, ReviewMe and so on in your posts which is now getting hit. That does sound rather like supressing freedom of expression to me. Oh, sorry, I forgot that google doesn't believe in that in google.cn and so on.
PR6 -> PR4 -> PR3 -> PR0
I'm assuming that at each stage perhaps, the site was being checked to see whether the paid links had been removed.
My worry? That the next stage will FINALLY be impact in the SERPs, especially in view of the fact they've added the paid link is a no-no paragraph to their webmaster guidelines.
Vic
PR6 -> PR4 -> PR3 -> PR0
I'm assuming that at each stage perhaps, the site was being checked to see whether the paid links had been removed.
My worry? That the next stage will FINALLY be impact in the SERPs, especially in view of the fact they've added the paid link is a no-no paragraph to their webmaster guidelines.
Vic
Looks like they may be removing the guilt-trip on the reconsideration request:
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/selling-links-tha...
Lets hope it goes through, eh? :)
Looks like they may be removing the guilt-trip on the reconsideration request:
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/selling-links-tha...
Lets hope it goes through, eh? :)
Anyway I am a happy camper !
Anyway I am a happy camper !
I can't understand why Google became the God of the internet. Why is it illegal to sell links? Is the blog/website owner not the owner of a business? Can they not determine how they are to generate income?
Okay, okay, I'll go download that "no follow" plugin and try and figure out which links to add nofollow to and which not to. That's going to take me hours and hours and hours instead of doing my research and article writing.
Sorry for the long comment, I'm just a bit peeved. And if you do follow this posting, thank you so much. I'll be back to your site because there's obviously A Lot for me to learn.
I can't understand why Google became the God of the internet. Why is it illegal to sell links? Is the blog/website owner not the owner of a business? Can they not determine how they are to generate income?
Okay, okay, I'll go download that "no follow" plugin and try and figure out which links to add nofollow to and which not to. That's going to take me hours and hours and hours instead of doing my research and article writing.
Sorry for the long comment, I'm just a bit peeved. And if you do follow this posting, thank you so much. I'll be back to your site because there's obviously A Lot for me to learn.