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Great post.
Say you have a blog with one hundred entries and out of those, only 2 comprise the target of over 90% of your incoming links. Might it be detrimental to the rest of your pages if you aren't distributing the page rank?
Precision: of course it would benefit them to get the PR but are they penalized because of their seeming weakness in comparison to your strong pages?
That is the global link popularity of a site, but I wouldn't for instance know how that compares between a smaller and larger site. Does a larger site exponentially need more links for the popularity of site to be more significant?
So I don't think there is a penalty, and the global popularity benefit would make it impossible to spot.
Great post.
Say you have a blog with one hundred entries and out of those, only 2 comprise the target of over 90% of your incoming links. Might it be detrimental to the rest of your pages if you aren't distributing the page rank?
Precision: of course it would benefit them to get the PR but are they penalized because of their seeming weakness in comparison to your strong pages?
That is the global link popularity of a site, but I wouldn't for instance know how that compares between a smaller and larger site. Does a larger site exponentially need more links for the popularity of site to be more significant?
So I don't think there is a penalty, and the global popularity benefit would make it impossible to spot.
Now all of this SEO jockeying and positioning of knowledge and speculation really seems to me to be falling short of the one true factor that should never, ever be overlooked. And that would be quality content, that is on point to your category, tag, site, niche, etc. Not sure completely how to do testing for that sort of thing; perhaps creating a page following all of your site's other SEO conventions but being totally and completely off topic for the site's focus and linking to nothing related, etc. That would be an interesting little experiment, Mr. Beard. How about it ;)
Now all of this SEO jockeying and positioning of knowledge and speculation really seems to me to be falling short of the one true factor that should never, ever be overlooked. And that would be quality content, that is on point to your category, tag, site, niche, etc. Not sure completely how to do testing for that sort of thing; perhaps creating a page following all of your site's other SEO conventions but being totally and completely off topic for the site's focus and linking to nothing related, etc. That would be an interesting little experiment, Mr. Beard. How about it ;)
Duplicate content is something I'm no doubt struggling with on my site. Can you recommend any WP plugins to help with it?
Something like the duplicate content cure for instance?
In my case for instance, the pages Google look on as being supplemental are the tag pages that have only been used once r twice. It could be looked on that they are supplemental because other than the title, they are almost identical to the original article.
Alternatively, they could be looked on as being supplemental because they only receive a link from that one single page, and possibly from my main tag page which has a lot of tags on it, thus any pagerank is split.
My most popular tags gain lots of links internally, and a few from external sources.
Customizable post listings would allow you to create category archives that don't run as deeply. Some of your categories run 8 pages deep.
You could also experiment showing just snippets for them as well, but that might make them less useful to visitors. Duplicate content is a lot to do with choice of landing page, but also relevance.
There are lots of plugin solutions for blocking off what is being indexed, either as a plugin, a snippet of php in the header, or a robots.txt file.
You have to ensure if you do block off pages, that Google Juice can still flow to your deeper pages.
Also important is you have to compensate with more internal links. If you block off 20 categories from your sidebar, more juice will flow out of your site through external links in posts and comments and trackbacks (if you are using Dofollow)
As I am answering questions, I spotted a few links I intended to include but forgot - one being a link for my reference to milk bottles. External leaks on duplicate content pages have to be avoided.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/03/multiple-reasons-wh...
Duplicate content is something I'm no doubt struggling with on my site. Can you recommend any WP plugins to help with it?
Something like the duplicate content cure for instance?
In my case for instance, the pages Google look on as being supplemental are the tag pages that have only been used once r twice. It could be looked on that they are supplemental because other than the title, they are almost identical to the original article.
Alternatively, they could be looked on as being supplemental because they only receive a link from that one single page, and possibly from my main tag page which has a lot of tags on it, thus any pagerank is split.
My most popular tags gain lots of links internally, and a few from external sources.
Customizable post listings would allow you to create category archives that don't run as deeply. Some of your categories run 8 pages deep.
You could also experiment showing just snippets for them as well, but that might make them less useful to visitors. Duplicate content is a lot to do with choice of landing page, but also relevance.
There are lots of plugin solutions for blocking off what is being indexed, either as a plugin, a snippet of php in the header, or a robots.txt file.
You have to ensure if you do block off pages, that Google Juice can still flow to your deeper pages.
Also important is you have to compensate with more internal links. If you block off 20 categories from your sidebar, more juice will flow out of your site through external links in posts and comments and trackbacks (if you are using Dofollow)
As I am answering questions, I spotted a few links I intended to include but forgot - one being a link for my reference to milk bottles. External leaks on duplicate content pages have to be avoided.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/03/multiple-reasons-wh...
Do you mean that you notified Google about your paid links and now Google is showing all (or a lot more) of your paid links?
He is the writeup where I first wrote about reporting myself for paid links.
A week or so later I wrote about how I had pulled myself out of supplemental results, or no results showing.
In hindsight it is hard to say whether that really caused a human review to fix things, or a human to trigger some kind of reindex to fix a bug.
I have also noticed some very expert analysis of my tag pages from someone in New Zealand in my stats, not only specifically searching to see which of my tag pages were indexed, but also which were in supplemental results.
This was around the time (by my records within a few hours) that I started to see "hour by hour" changes, as if someone was tampering with algorithms or that datacenters were reporting different results for a few days and for some reason I only saw a fleeting shadow of the changes coming.
I do know that Google must generally like this domain, new content usually appears in the main index within a few hours at most.
Do you mean that you notified Google about your paid links and now Google is showing all (or a lot more) of your paid links?
He is the writeup where I first wrote about reporting myself for paid links.
A week or so later I wrote about how I had pulled myself out of supplemental results, or no results showing.
In hindsight it is hard to say whether that really caused a human review to fix things, or a human to trigger some kind of reindex to fix a bug.
I have also noticed some very expert analysis of my tag pages from someone in New Zealand in my stats, not only specifically searching to see which of my tag pages were indexed, but also which were in supplemental results.
This was around the time (by my records within a few hours) that I started to see "hour by hour" changes, as if someone was tampering with algorithms or that datacenters were reporting different results for a few days and for some reason I only saw a fleeting shadow of the changes coming.
I do know that Google must generally like this domain, new content usually appears in the main index within a few hours at most.
Keep up the great work.
Yesterday I switched to Google because I was showing a yahoo error page - today I end up switching back to Altavista translation.
The biggest problem is that you can't see that things are broken unless you check daily/hourly.
Now I have ended up switching it off, because I am getting Yahoo errors.
It is impossible to gague how effective something is if people end up landing on broken pages half the time.
Keep up the great work.
Yesterday I switched to Google because I was showing a yahoo error page - today I end up switching back to Altavista translation.
The biggest problem is that you can't see that things are broken unless you check daily/hourly.
Now I have ended up switching it off, because I am getting Yahoo errors.
It is impossible to gague how effective something is if people end up landing on broken pages half the time.
"I reported myself for paid links, and a short while later, I had 4000 pages indexed, and almost no supplemental"
Thank you.
"I reported myself for paid links, and a short while later, I had 4000 pages indexed, and almost no supplemental"
Thank you.
Jim
Jim
Don
Don
Duplicate content from syndication - Google's algorithms are currently a total mess and they are not handling link attribution correctly.
Duplicate content from syndication - Google's algorithms are currently a total mess and they are not handling link attribution correctly.
With Blogger, you have to do it manually, or host on your own domain and use some very custom PHP
With Blogger, you have to do it manually, or host on your own domain and use some very custom PHP
It is true that SEM types like to speak in absolutes. The reality is that SEM is the ultimate combination of left and right brain thinking-pragmatic, scientific, creative, artistic, and statistical thinking all at once. It's sort of like recording music you've written.
I like the humility in this post.
Marty
It is true that SEM types like to speak in absolutes. The reality is that SEM is the ultimate combination of left and right brain thinking-pragmatic, scientific, creative, artistic, and statistical thinking all at once. It's sort of like recording music you've written.
I like the humility in this post.
Marty
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It must help that I have PR6, 7... sometimes even PR8 links coming in from topical authorities - the links do eventually get buried off the front page, but eventually Google should be receiving the right signals.
It must help that I have PR6, 7... sometimes even PR8 links coming in from topical authorities - the links do eventually get buried off the front page, but eventually Google should be receiving the right signals.
I am not looking at the ranking for specific search results, other than my comment that they seem to have a problem with link attribution on syndicated content.
I am not looking at the ranking for specific search results, other than my comment that they seem to have a problem with link attribution on syndicated content.
one edifying article you have there andy,
/name-of-the-post/ or /name-of-the-post.html there are just quite the same. As long as you dont use "?",such characters. Permalinks helps the search engine crawl to your site faster, so if you have categorize your permalinks, there a good change the search engine would spiders your website.
one edifying article you have there andy,
/name-of-the-post/ or /name-of-the-post.html there are just quite the same. As long as you dont use "?",such characters. Permalinks helps the search engine crawl to your site faster, so if you have categorize your permalinks, there a good change the search engine would spiders your website.
I would still come back to the question of tags which is an interesting one.
1. If you include tags and make dup content, what is the purpose.
2. Based on the above you could set up tag pages to be somewhat different from your normal pages.
3. Which pages would you prefer to be ranked? normal or tagged?
4. If you close off tag pages to collect PR, you will be wasting PR on dup content on which could be used on other new, unique pages... especially if your blog is dynamically linked (Leslie Rhodes)
Someone asked about minimizing PR, there are several ways...
1. You can put in place a java navigation menu, here is the one I'm using for wordpress - http://www.silpstream.com/blog/wp-dtree/
2. Call the sidebar as a page rather than from the wp script. I could find the article on that one but definitely sounds doable.
3. Make sure all your outgoing plugins, feed url's have the nofollow tag. Some do require editing of the script.
4. Disallow in robots text all folders not wanting followed including wp-, category, archives, etc.
5. Loop your PR. Set up a sitemap on your index page only which goes to your invidual posts and back to your index page.
6. Minimize all outgoing links with nofollow unless paid links. Be carefull with creating an exact closed loop, the SE's arent big on this so always have some outgoing links.
I get some great quality comments on this blog from lots of people, and I include yours among them, and thus I use the dofollow plugin to share a little linklove.
Most blogs also typically have sitewide blogroll links, top commentator plugins, text-link-ads etc, and it all adds up to lots of external links on every single page.
I would class myself as a devotee of the teachings of Michael Campbell and Leslie Rhode, but at the same time an active community blog is a whole different scenario to a mininet of carefully engineered niche sites.
I initially addressed this situation by coming to the conclusion that my best strategy would be 2fold
1. Minimise the amount of external leaks on duplicate content pages
2. Massive ball linking, ensuring I have far more internal links on every single page, than external links.
I wouldn't class this as hording pagerank, but cultivating it. PR would still leak from your site through whatever external links you have, but the pages wouldn't be penalized by multiple iterations of the pagerank calculation.
As a followup to this post, I went into this in more depth, and I think you will find my sandcastles approach might be ideal for a Wordpress blog that is community friendly, but doesn't wish to sacrifice itself.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/06/wordpress-seo-maste...
I would still come back to the question of tags which is an interesting one.
1. If you include tags and make dup content, what is the purpose.
2. Based on the above you could set up tag pages to be somewhat different from your normal pages.
3. Which pages would you prefer to be ranked? normal or tagged?
4. If you close off tag pages to collect PR, you will be wasting PR on dup content on which could be used on other new, unique pages... especially if your blog is dynamically linked (Leslie Rhodes)
Someone asked about minimizing PR, there are several ways...
1. You can put in place a java navigation menu, here is the one I'm using for wordpress - http://www.silpstream.com/blog/wp-dtree/
2. Call the sidebar as a page rather than from the wp script. I could find the article on that one but definitely sounds doable.
3. Make sure all your outgoing plugins, feed url's have the nofollow tag. Some do require editing of the script.
4. Disallow in robots text all folders not wanting followed including wp-, category, archives, etc.
5. Loop your PR. Set up a sitemap on your index page only which goes to your invidual posts and back to your index page.
6. Minimize all outgoing links with nofollow unless paid links. Be carefull with creating an exact closed loop, the SE's arent big on this so always have some outgoing links.
I get some great quality comments on this blog from lots of people, and I include yours among them, and thus I use the dofollow plugin to share a little linklove.
Most blogs also typically have sitewide blogroll links, top commentator plugins, text-link-ads etc, and it all adds up to lots of external links on every single page.
I would class myself as a devotee of the teachings of Michael Campbell and Leslie Rhode, but at the same time an active community blog is a whole different scenario to a mininet of carefully engineered niche sites.
I initially addressed this situation by coming to the conclusion that my best strategy would be 2fold
1. Minimise the amount of external leaks on duplicate content pages
2. Massive ball linking, ensuring I have far more internal links on every single page, than external links.
I wouldn't class this as hording pagerank, but cultivating it. PR would still leak from your site through whatever external links you have, but the pages wouldn't be penalized by multiple iterations of the pagerank calculation.
As a followup to this post, I went into this in more depth, and I think you will find my sandcastles approach might be ideal for a Wordpress blog that is community friendly, but doesn't wish to sacrifice itself.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/06/wordpress-seo-maste...
Thanks
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/angs...
I purchased the gold version, not sure if that is still available for $100, as it was meant to be limited to only 100 users
Now I have moved servers I intend to start playing with it again. There is a negative aspect to it that it bulks out the database files for the cache, and moving Wordpress and backups is enough of a pain without 100MB+ databases.
Also for some reason whilst the free plugin I was using was being indexed extensively by Google, when I switched, Google decided that it didn't want to index the new ones (different URL structure) - that might be a problem in my own configuration.
I also didn't manage to get a lot of the additional languages working correctly, but my new server has more IPs to play around with to proxy the requests which might have been the problem.
The translation is good enough to get search traffic, I wouldn't class it as good enough to read easily, the same as if you were translating a foreign document with babelfish - it can be enough if you are used to that kind of translation.
Thanks
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/angs...
I purchased the gold version, not sure if that is still available for $100, as it was meant to be limited to only 100 users
Now I have moved servers I intend to start playing with it again. There is a negative aspect to it that it bulks out the database files for the cache, and moving Wordpress and backups is enough of a pain without 100MB+ databases.
Also for some reason whilst the free plugin I was using was being indexed extensively by Google, when I switched, Google decided that it didn't want to index the new ones (different URL structure) - that might be a problem in my own configuration.
I also didn't manage to get a lot of the additional languages working correctly, but my new server has more IPs to play around with to proxy the requests which might have been the problem.
The translation is good enough to get search traffic, I wouldn't class it as good enough to read easily, the same as if you were translating a foreign document with babelfish - it can be enough if you are used to that kind of translation.