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Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

CyberCelt — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:31 -0000

Thanks for the credit for the WOMMA bit. I hope I didn't just make a huge mistake by linking to them and the LA Times. LOL

This whole deal has me baffled. We are marketers, for cripes sake. In a world where paid advertisements are disguised as network news, SPLOGs scrape content from honest bloggers so they can get tclicks on their Google ads, agencies like Edelman and Zipatoni publish FLOGs for brand retailers, and paid to promote sites outnumber true traffic exchanges, why pick on the bloggers who do the reviews for PayPerPost?

Have a great week~

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

CyberCelt — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:31 -0000

Thanks for the credit for the WOMMA bit. I hope I didn't just make a huge mistake by linking to them and the LA Times. LOL

Have a great week~

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

lilian — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:18:30 -0000

Great post, Andy! I am a PPP postie (i.d. Chan 6127) as well and am glad to see both sides of the stories, explained in details. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

lilian — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:18:30 -0000

Great post, Andy! I am a PPP postie (i.d. Chan 6127) as well and am glad to see both sides of the stories, explained in details. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

VC Dan — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:30:29 -0000

Hey Jeff, We've discussed this before, but it would be great to have your "Disclosure Policy" labeled/linked with that exact phrase. Part of driving standards like Privacy or Disclosure Policies is that visitors need a common signal to look for.

I'd also note that a Disclosure Policy is somewhat different from a list of disclosed affiliations. The latter is basically a list; whereas the former informs the user what they can expect of the author such as whether they will take sponsorships inside or outside of content.

If you like my suggestion to use "Disclosure Policy" -- give Jason a similar nudge. He has some historical info in his About page and, as the mood strikes him, tries to act like that's a disclosure policy. You and I know it's not and creating a specific "Disclosure Policy" injects a healthy level of accountability and expectation matching with audiences. It's the difference of staying silent vs. saying "here's what you can expect from me". Also, calling it About, About Me, Affiliations, Profile or a host of phrases that are not "Disclosure Policy" doesn't help drive a standard.

Can you help make "Disclosure Policy" a link audiences come to expect from their bloggers?

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

VC Dan — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:30:29 -0000

Can you help make "Disclosure Policy" a link audiences come to expect from their bloggers?

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Cvos SEO — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:47:51 -0000

As a frequent reader of the L.A. Times, I have seen entire inside pages that were advertorials, or paid advertising that appeared to be news content.

One of the most famous was the full page advertiroal Shaq purchased when he left the Lakers to go to the Miami Heat.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Cvos SEO — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:47:51 -0000

As a frequent reader of the L.A. Times, I have seen entire inside pages that were advertorials, or paid advertising that appeared to be news content.

One of the most famous was the full page advertiroal Shaq purchased when he left the Lakers to go to the Miami Heat.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

AndyBeard — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:45:09 -0000

I think I will just respond with a quote from the post

encourage them to be honest and open in all downstream conversations, and create a culture of ethical communications.

PPP is possibly attacked in the same way MBL is treated sometimes.

It is good linkbait, and if a blogger has no intention using the service, or if the service hasn't got control of their financial well-being, then everything is fair game.

I don't know the history of the WOMMA, but if their roots are in MLM, then it would probably be good practice to deflect attention away onto someone else, and that then serves the membership.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

AndyBeard — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:45:09 -0000

I think I will just respond with a quote from the post

encourage them to be honest and open in all downstream conversations, and create a culture of ethical communications.

PPP is possibly attacked in the same way MBL is treated sometimes.

It is good linkbait, and if a blogger has no intention using the service, or if the service hasn't got control of their financial well-being, then everything is fair game.

I don't know the history of the WOMMA, but if their roots are in MLM, then it would probably be good practice to deflect attention away onto someone else, and that then serves the membership.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Ted Murphy — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:02:01 -0000

Andy,
I love this post. I want to provide you with a little more background here:
http://blog.payperpost.com/...

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Ted Murphy — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:02:01 -0000

Andy,
I love this post. I want to provide you with a little more background here:
http://blog.payperpost.com/...

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

AndyBeard — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:00:31 -0000

Jeff I didn't think there was

The whole point is that things get overlooked or not thought of as important.

Do you expect the average PPP blogger to be any more technical than yourself?

They have to go placing graphic links in their sidebar, or javascript in their headers even for the level of disclosure they currently have.

Pay Per Post have to use scalable solutions

The LA Times certainly shouldn't be pointing a finger at a work at home mum with their own house not in order.
Jason certainly has some things overlooked, or ignored - it seems to be a "do as I say, not as I do" situation.

WOMMA should be the pillar of excellence, but they actually have some of the same failings, and most of their RSS feeds were broken as well.
For the WOMMA to be suggesting more legislation, when 99% of bloggers don't complay with what there is currently, not just the people associated with PPP just isn't viable or morally just.

The best way for things to improve is for A list bloggers to set a perfect example.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

AndyBeard — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:00:31 -0000

Jeff I didn't think there was

The whole point is that things get overlooked or not thought of as important.

Do you expect the average PPP blogger to be any more technical than yourself?

They have to go placing graphic links in their sidebar, or javascript in their headers even for the level of disclosure they currently have.

Pay Per Post have to use scalable solutions

The best way for things to improve is for A list bloggers to set a perfect example.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Jeff Jarvis — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:26:22 -0000

No grand strategy or conspiracy in not having the 'disclosure' link on other templates. I'm just bad at PHP templates and my son has homework to do.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Jeff Jarvis — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:26:22 -0000

No grand strategy or conspiracy in not having the 'disclosure' link on other templates. I'm just bad at PHP templates and my son has homework to do.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

James D Kirk — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:50:11 -0000

Spicy, Andy, very Spicy!

Reading your ongoing crusades about disclosure policies are a constant reminder that I need to get to that on my list of To Do's.

Keep it up, brother. Hold us all accountable (someone should!)

Go Boldly!

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

James D Kirk — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:50:11 -0000

Spicy, Andy, very Spicy!

Reading your ongoing crusades about disclosure policies are a constant reminder that I need to get to that on my list of To Do's.

Keep it up, brother. Hold us all accountable (someone should!)

Go Boldly!

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Kate — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:41:34 -0000

I have noticed that a lot of bigger, more mainstream sites fail to link to the bloggers they quote. I'm not sure if it due to arrogance, or just because they still have a print media mindset, but either way it is bad practice.

Re: WOMMA Should Watch Who They Quote And Especially Who They Link To!

Kate — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:41:34 -0000