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Andy Beard - Internet Business Systems Discussion: Why Have Blogs At All? – The Race To Kill Blogging

  • Rob Cooper · 1 year ago
    I setup my facebook account to pull in my blog posts as "notes" each time I posted. Then I found my friends commenting on my notes rather than on my blog.

    What I wanted was to create community on my blog, not on facebook.

    Got your post alert via twitter
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    If you look at my page, you can only see the links I have made to places.

    If you could also see all the links pointing to this document and somehow make sense of it in a browsing experience, then what platform that interaction takes place on doesn't really matter.

    There doesn't have to be a difference in data format between a comment and a blog post, or any web document for that matter.

    Interface would be a problem, maybe some of the Digg mashups would prove an inspiration, or various movies from The Matrix to Minority Report.
  • Rob Cooper · 1 year ago
    I setup my facebook account to pull in my blog posts as "notes" each time I posted. Then I found my friends commenting on my notes rather than on my blog.

    What I wanted was to create community on my blog, not on facebook.

    Got your post alert via twitter
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    If you look at my page, you can only see the links I have made to places.

    If you could also see all the links pointing to this document and somehow make sense of it in a browsing experience, then what platform that interaction takes place on doesn't really matter.

    There doesn't have to be a difference in data format between a comment and a blog post, or any web document for that matter.

    Interface would be a problem, maybe some of the Digg mashups would prove an inspiration, or various movies from The Matrix to Minority Report.
  • engtech · 1 year ago
    One thing I like about Disqus: for some blogs it's very convenient to be able to access them as if they were a discussion forum.

    But you're dead on with the javascript issue. I saw the exact same thing happen with Haloscan + Blogspot. You really want to have your comments as part of the blog and getting them out of external sites is a pain in the ass.
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    I think with Disqus they actually need both import... for people moving to the platform, and export for when people move on.

    Haloscan is a nightmare because so many bloggers use the automatic installation, and then can't revert.
  • engtech · 1 year ago
    One thing I like about Disqus: for some blogs it's very convenient to be able to access them as if they were a discussion forum.

    But you're dead on with the javascript issue. I saw the exact same thing happen with Haloscan + Blogspot. You really want to have your comments as part of the blog and getting them out of external sites is a pain in the ass.
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    I think with Disqus they actually need both import... for people moving to the platform, and export for when people move on.

    Haloscan is a nightmare because so many bloggers use the automatic installation, and then can't revert.
  • Hobo · 1 year ago
    Ah....my 1MB Commodore Amiga. Sob....brings back so many great memories... although I think I spent most of the time playing Kick Off 2 and Sensible Soccer.
  • Hobo · 1 year ago
    Ah....my 1MB Commodore Amiga. Sob....brings back so many great memories... although I think I spent most of the time playing Kick Off 2 and Sensible Soccer.
  • Google Analytics Training · 1 year ago
    That is a great point. Blog owners should have the ability to choose whether programs such as Google Reader should be able to take content from their blogs.

    I would be very angry if I worked hard in creating high quality content and I found out that people aren't even visiting my website to read the content, but they're reading with programs like Google Reader...

    Yup, I would be angry.
  • Free Line Rental · 1 year ago
    Hi Google Analytics Training,

    The last S in RSS stands for "Syndication"... if you do not want to syndicate your content then, whatever you do, do not put out an RSS feed!!

    It is not Google Reader you need to worry about... it is scraper sites with a higher ranking that your own site, which can get your content indexed (on their site), and get your own page dropped...

    Regards, Jez
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    Jez I am more worried about people sharing what should be private data such as Facebook updates as per the post I linked.

    There is also the question of choice

    Scrapers are going to do what they want regardless, but GR doesn't have to be a tool to help them - it is hard to block a scraper who feeds content through GR.
  • Google Analytics Training · 1 year ago
    That is a great point. Blog owners should have the ability to choose whether programs such as Google Reader should be able to take content from their blogs.

    I would be very angry if I worked hard in creating high quality content and I found out that people aren't even visiting my website to read the content, but they're reading with programs like Google Reader...

    Yup, I would be angry.
  • Free Line Rental · 1 year ago
    Hi Google Analytics Training,

    The last S in RSS stands for "Syndication"... if you do not want to syndicate your content then, whatever you do, do not put out an RSS feed!!

    It is not Google Reader you need to worry about... it is scraper sites with a higher ranking that your own site, which can get your content indexed (on their site), and get your own page dropped...

    Regards, Jez
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    Jez I am more worried about people sharing what should be private data such as Facebook updates as per the post I linked.

    There is also the question of choice

    Scrapers are going to do what they want regardless, but GR doesn't have to be a tool to help them - it is hard to block a scraper who feeds content through GR.
  • Mark Blair · 1 year ago
    What do you think of the idea of FriendFeed generating a trackback to the referring blog post upon the first comment? It seems as if that ought to be doable as each FriendFeed item has its own permalink.

    I think this is a perfect area for an inline RDF standard. This would allow for threaded comment aggregators and RSS of comments across.

    I'd love to get your take on the SIOC project: http://sioc-project.org/

    Our inability to manage information like this is one of the things that will speed the trend towards more adoption of semantic web technologies.
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    Mark I mentioned trackbacks in the discussion on Friendfeed to Paul's post.

    It is a short term partial solution, as will be various APIs.

    I was thinking more the long term solution, and also as a better way for a comment system to be constructed to account for multiple input streams.

    I was also taking into account that a blog post in many ways a comment in itself.

    I must admit I am not up to speed on SIOC - the WP plugin looks old, does it work with more recent WP versions? They need to learn how to distribute plugins for the masses.
  • Mark Blair · 1 year ago
    What do you think of the idea of FriendFeed generating a trackback to the referring blog post upon the first comment? It seems as if that ought to be doable as each FriendFeed item has its own permalink.

    I think this is a perfect area for an inline RDF standard. This would allow for threaded comment aggregators and RSS of comments across.

    I'd love to get your take on the SIOC project: http://sioc-project.org/

    Our inability to manage information like this is one of the things that will speed the trend towards more adoption of semantic web technologies.
  • AndyBeard · 1 year ago
    Mark I mentioned trackbacks in the discussion on Friendfeed to Paul's post.

    It is a short term partial solution, as will be various APIs.

    I was thinking more the long term solution, and also as a better way for a comment system to be constructed to account for multiple input streams.

    I was also taking into account that a blog post in many ways a comment in itself.

    I must admit I am not up to speed on SIOC - the WP plugin looks old, does it work with more recent WP versions? They need to learn how to distribute plugins for the masses.
  • christophe · 1 year ago
    Hi Andy,

    Great post !!! (as usual ;-))
    I more than agree with you regarding the fragmentation of comments and I start to find annoying to have to follow conversations at multiple places. I also read comments in order to get a better picture and sometimes really valuable add on to the article.
    I also think that if the traffic start to get out of the blog, then we will soon have less and less blogs...... All publication/sharing services should always link back to the original site for reading and commenting.

    Regarding alternate commenting system: you can have a look at coComment outsourced conversations ;-) We provide import AND export. As well as a nice (I think) configuration/styling wizard.
    AND we do not allow commenting outside of the site where our simple JS code is inserted.
  • christophe · 1 year ago
    Hi Andy,

    Great post !!! (as usual ;-))
    I more than agree with you regarding the fragmentation of comments and I start to find annoying to have to follow conversations at multiple places. I also read comments in order to get a better picture and sometimes really valuable add on to the article.
    I also think that if the traffic start to get out of the blog, then we will soon have less and less blogs...... All publication/sharing services should always link back to the original site for reading and commenting.

    Regarding alternate commenting system: you can have a look at coComment outsourced conversations ;-) We provide import AND export. As well as a nice (I think) configuration/styling wizard.
    AND we do not allow commenting outside of the site where our simple JS code is inserted.
  • Free Line Rental · 1 year ago
    First of all, what is your definition of original content... or more to the point, what is Google's?

    Now, in answer to your suggestions on using comments as a metric, here are some countermeasures:

    1) I rip an article and put it onto 10 splogs.
    2) I check the original article once per hour, rip any comments and add those to my splog posts accordingly.
    3) I Check all my splogs for additional comments they receive and syndicate those around the some of the other splogs.

    Now my splogs have more comments than the original, updated more frequently than the original...
  • Free Line Rental · 1 year ago
    First of all, what is your definition of original content... or more to the point, what is Google's?

    Now, in answer to your suggestions on using comments as a metric, here are some countermeasures:

    1) I rip an article and put it onto 10 splogs.
    2) I check the original article once per hour, rip any comments and add those to my splog posts accordingly.
    3) I Check all my splogs for additional comments they receive and syndicate those around the some of the other splogs.

    Now my splogs have more comments than the original, updated more frequently than the original...
  • Free Line Rental · 1 year ago
    Hello Again Google Analytics Training ;-)

    Sorry I see you were responding to Andy's comments... I think my last comments were a little ill judged... no offense meant...

    I still don't see what the issue is with Google reader though, it I don't think it is responsible for spam. Also, I read more pages in my reader than I would without it, then I visit the best sites to comment.... if it were not for Google reader (which is what I use) then I would read less blogs.

    If it is spam you are worried about, then you would need access control on your RSS feed period... for all readers, no direct access via URL etc... and Really Simple Syndication isn't so simple any more!!

    The best protection you have against spammers is a convoluted inconsistent badly designed web page, where they cannot easily get the content out of your tags, and there is no RSS feed... but who wants a site like that!!
  • Free Line Rental · 1 year ago
    Hello Again Google Analytics Training ;-)

    Sorry I see you were responding to Andy's comments... I think my last comments were a little ill judged... no offense meant...

    I still don't see what the issue is with Google reader though, it I don't think it is responsible for spam. Also, I read more pages in my reader than I would without it, then I visit the best sites to comment.... if it were not for Google reader (which is what I use) then I would read less blogs.

    If it is spam you are worried about, then you would need access control on your RSS feed period... for all readers, no direct access via URL etc... and Really Simple Syndication isn't so simple any more!!

    The best protection you have against spammers is a convoluted inconsistent badly designed web page, where they cannot easily get the content out of your tags, and there is no RSS feed... but who wants a site like that!!
  • Seduction Tips · 1 year ago
    I get a ton of scrapers off my feed. Quite annoying. Then I realized that Google would know the difference, and has noted it so far in search results. Nothing to worry about.
  • Seduction Tips · 1 year ago
    I get a ton of scrapers off my feed. Quite annoying. Then I realized that Google would know the difference, and has noted it so far in search results. Nothing to worry about.
  • Daniel McGonagle · 1 year ago
    andy, thi smight be a little off-topic here,
    but your post title caught my attention.

    We all "know" that blogs are SEO magnets, and that
    they can pull traffic in form all corners of the web,
    but I was talking to a marketing buddy of mine and she says
    she's had mor eluck with her SEO resulrs with static html and php sites thna she did with professionally designed SEO-ed to the max blogs.

    It shouldn't be that way, but it turned out that, for her,
    she could say, "Why have blogs at all? indeed

    The thing is, if it wasn't for RSS readers, I probably wouldn't be getting your information delivered to my desktop.

    Blogs are here to stay, but aren't easier to read than regular websites, according to my reader's feedback

    Thanks,

    Dan
  • Daniel McGonagle · 1 year ago
    andy, thi smight be a little off-topic here,
    but your post title caught my attention.

    We all "know" that blogs are SEO magnets, and that
    they can pull traffic in form all corners of the web,
    but I was talking to a marketing buddy of mine and she says
    she's had mor eluck with her SEO resulrs with static html and php sites thna she did with professionally designed SEO-ed to the max blogs.

    It shouldn't be that way, but it turned out that, for her,
    she could say, "Why have blogs at all? indeed

    The thing is, if it wasn't for RSS readers, I probably wouldn't be getting your information delivered to my desktop.

    Blogs are here to stay, but aren't easier to read than regular websites, according to my reader's feedback

    Thanks,

    Dan
  • Aaron at FullTiltBlogging.com · 1 year ago
    This post was featured in today's Daily Blog Summary--a daily summary of the top 50 Make Money Blogging blogs.
  • Aaron at FullTiltBlogging.com · 1 year ago
    This post was featured in today's Daily Blog Summary--a daily summary of the top 50 Make Money Blogging blogs.
  • Affordable Search Engine Optim · 1 year ago
    There are tons of small brick and mortar businesses that would do very well to have a blog instead of a website. I've worked with several local businesses to impliment a blog, and for most of the businesses, it's resulted in a huge difference in the amount of potential customers visiting their site now vs when they had a static html page. (with frames)
  • Affordable Search Engine Optim · 1 year ago
    There are tons of small brick and mortar businesses that would do very well to have a blog instead of a website. I've worked with several local businesses to impliment a blog, and for most of the businesses, it's resulted in a huge difference in the amount of potential customers visiting their site now vs when they had a static html page. (with frames)
  • The Modern Savage · 1 year ago
    Andy,

    You might want to check this site out:
    http://fav.or.it/

    It's essentially a new RSS reader except that it has the ability to read and write comments from within the reader itself. I haven't used it yet because they haven't let me into the beta testing but if this thing takes off it will definitely change the way people interact with blog content.

    If integrated comments become a standard practice, then it will certainly change the way people make money off of their blog. I assume people will just have to adapt to a different type of advertising.

    -Matt
  • The Modern Savage · 1 year ago
    Andy,

    You might want to check this site out:
    http://fav.or.it/

    It's essentially a new RSS reader except that it has the ability to read and write comments from within the reader itself. I haven't used it yet because they haven't let me into the beta testing but if this thing takes off it will definitely change the way people interact with blog content.

    If integrated comments become a standard practice, then it will certainly change the way people make money off of their blog. I assume people will just have to adapt to a different type of advertising.

    -Matt
  • Dan - Life Coaching · 1 year ago
    Surely the point of a blog is to create loads of original content for the search engines and have a place that people can visit time and time again and feel a part of the shaping of the content. Kill off blogs and surely you'll lose the human element of websites.
  • Dan - Life Coaching · 1 year ago
    Surely the point of a blog is to create loads of original content for the search engines and have a place that people can visit time and time again and feel a part of the shaping of the content. Kill off blogs and surely you'll lose the human element of websites.
  • Michael Fowke · 1 year ago
    Andy,

    Do you think a blog that doesn't allow comments can be a real blog? I'm concerned about this. I don't allow comments on my blog - Money is the Way, but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing. The problem is, I don't like spam, or bad spelling and grammar (I'm very neurotic about that), and I'm not even sure that comments would be suitable for my sort of blog. However, I only have a pagerank of 3 after 13 months - that's not great, is it?

    Regards

    Michael Fowke
  • Michael Fowke · 1 year ago
    Andy,

    Do you think a blog that doesn't allow comments can be a real blog? I'm concerned about this. I don't allow comments on my blog - Money is the Way, but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing. The problem is, I don't like spam, or bad spelling and grammar (I'm very neurotic about that), and I'm not even sure that comments would be suitable for my sort of blog. However, I only have a pagerank of 3 after 13 months - that's not great, is it?

    Regards

    Michael Fowke
  • James Vadas, SEO, Sydney. · 1 year ago
    Google has a huge responsibility to manage scraping, splogging and duplicate content issues, and it doesn't always do so well, and, as you pointed out, sometimes encourages the problem.

    The future of the internet being a place of expression and creativity is dependant on these issues being solved. Who could be bothered blogging year in, year out, if all their words get ripped of on a regular basis?

    A simple solution to all these issues could be for Google to allow bloggers to "ping" them with a new post to their blog. It would timestamp the blog and thereafter visit and index it.

    This would be foolproof as no splogger could ever get a timestamp earlier than the original blog author. There would be no more ambiguity as to the original author.

    The author would of course have the responsibility to initiate the ping, but any blogger in his right mind would take this seriously and make this part of their routine, immediately after posting. If they neglect to do so, and someone steals their post, they would only have themselves to blame.

    Google could thus apply heavily it's duplicate content filters, not only in the SERPs, but also to it's RSS reader.

    Am I insane, or is this actually a simple solution to a complex issue?

    James.
  • James Vadas, SEO, Sydney. · 1 year ago
    Google has a huge responsibility to manage scraping, splogging and duplicate content issues, and it doesn't always do so well, and, as you pointed out, sometimes encourages the problem.

    The future of the internet being a place of expression and creativity is dependant on these issues being solved. Who could be bothered blogging year in, year out, if all their words get ripped of on a regular basis?

    A simple solution to all these issues could be for Google to allow bloggers to "ping" them with a new post to their blog. It would timestamp the blog and thereafter visit and index it.

    This would be foolproof as no splogger could ever get a timestamp earlier than the original blog author. There would be no more ambiguity as to the original author.

    The author would of course have the responsibility to initiate the ping, but any blogger in his right mind would take this seriously and make this part of their routine, immediately after posting. If they neglect to do so, and someone steals their post, they would only have themselves to blame.

    Google could thus apply heavily it's duplicate content filters, not only in the SERPs, but also to it's RSS reader.

    Am I insane, or is this actually a simple solution to a complex issue?

    James.
  • Blog Bloke · 1 year ago
    Glad to see that I'm not the only one who's concerned. If we're not careful our last post could be our own blog epitaph. Good post Andy.
  • Blog Bloke · 1 year ago
    Glad to see that I'm not the only one who's concerned. If we're not careful our last post could be our own blog epitaph. Good post Andy.
  • Chan · 1 year ago
    I like to see the FriendFeed comments available as a separate feed, too. With high volume FriendFeeds (twitter, etc.), it can sometimes be really hard to find the comments amongst all of the content. Thanks for sharings.
  • Chan · 1 year ago
    I like to see the FriendFeed comments available as a separate feed, too. With high volume FriendFeeds (twitter, etc.), it can sometimes be really hard to find the comments amongst all of the content. Thanks for sharings.
  • Alex · 1 year ago
    Another factor that can help to identify if this is a blog or splog is trackbacks. When there are a lot of trackbacks from another blogs it could mean that this is a real blog.
  • Alex · 1 year ago
    Another factor that can help to identify if this is a blog or splog is trackbacks. When there are a lot of trackbacks from another blogs it could mean that this is a real blog.
  • Donavan · 1 year ago
    I want to disagree on these points.

    * The content within comments - keywords, language structure, length etc
    * The number of comments
    * Update frequency of the page (gaining additional comments over time)

    One can create a blog that will generate comments in certain intervals of time. Or the script can just parse the comments from other blogs and insert them in the generated one. Google will not be able to understand that the comments are generated ones.
  • Donavan · 1 year ago
    I want to disagree on these points.

    * The content within comments - keywords, language structure, length etc
    * The number of comments
    * Update frequency of the page (gaining additional comments over time)

    One can create a blog that will generate comments in certain intervals of time. Or the script can just parse the comments from other blogs and insert them in the generated one. Google will not be able to understand that the comments are generated ones.