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What I wanted was to create community on my blog, not on facebook.
Got your post alert via twitter
If you could also see all the links pointing to this document and somehow make sense of it in a browsing experience, then what platform that interaction takes place on doesn't really matter.
There doesn't have to be a difference in data format between a comment and a blog post, or any web document for that matter.
Interface would be a problem, maybe some of the Digg mashups would prove an inspiration, or various movies from The Matrix to Minority Report.
What I wanted was to create community on my blog, not on facebook.
Got your post alert via twitter
If you could also see all the links pointing to this document and somehow make sense of it in a browsing experience, then what platform that interaction takes place on doesn't really matter.
There doesn't have to be a difference in data format between a comment and a blog post, or any web document for that matter.
Interface would be a problem, maybe some of the Digg mashups would prove an inspiration, or various movies from The Matrix to Minority Report.
But you're dead on with the javascript issue. I saw the exact same thing happen with Haloscan + Blogspot. You really want to have your comments as part of the blog and getting them out of external sites is a pain in the ass.
Haloscan is a nightmare because so many bloggers use the automatic installation, and then can't revert.
But you're dead on with the javascript issue. I saw the exact same thing happen with Haloscan + Blogspot. You really want to have your comments as part of the blog and getting them out of external sites is a pain in the ass.
Haloscan is a nightmare because so many bloggers use the automatic installation, and then can't revert.
I would be very angry if I worked hard in creating high quality content and I found out that people aren't even visiting my website to read the content, but they're reading with programs like Google Reader...
Yup, I would be angry.
The last S in RSS stands for "Syndication"... if you do not want to syndicate your content then, whatever you do, do not put out an RSS feed!!
It is not Google Reader you need to worry about... it is scraper sites with a higher ranking that your own site, which can get your content indexed (on their site), and get your own page dropped...
Regards, Jez
There is also the question of choice
Scrapers are going to do what they want regardless, but GR doesn't have to be a tool to help them - it is hard to block a scraper who feeds content through GR.
I would be very angry if I worked hard in creating high quality content and I found out that people aren't even visiting my website to read the content, but they're reading with programs like Google Reader...
Yup, I would be angry.
The last S in RSS stands for "Syndication"... if you do not want to syndicate your content then, whatever you do, do not put out an RSS feed!!
It is not Google Reader you need to worry about... it is scraper sites with a higher ranking that your own site, which can get your content indexed (on their site), and get your own page dropped...
Regards, Jez
There is also the question of choice
Scrapers are going to do what they want regardless, but GR doesn't have to be a tool to help them - it is hard to block a scraper who feeds content through GR.
I think this is a perfect area for an inline RDF standard. This would allow for threaded comment aggregators and RSS of comments across.
I'd love to get your take on the SIOC project: http://sioc-project.org/
Our inability to manage information like this is one of the things that will speed the trend towards more adoption of semantic web technologies.
It is a short term partial solution, as will be various APIs.
I was thinking more the long term solution, and also as a better way for a comment system to be constructed to account for multiple input streams.
I was also taking into account that a blog post in many ways a comment in itself.
I must admit I am not up to speed on SIOC - the WP plugin looks old, does it work with more recent WP versions? They need to learn how to distribute plugins for the masses.
I think this is a perfect area for an inline RDF standard. This would allow for threaded comment aggregators and RSS of comments across.
I'd love to get your take on the SIOC project: http://sioc-project.org/
Our inability to manage information like this is one of the things that will speed the trend towards more adoption of semantic web technologies.
It is a short term partial solution, as will be various APIs.
I was thinking more the long term solution, and also as a better way for a comment system to be constructed to account for multiple input streams.
I was also taking into account that a blog post in many ways a comment in itself.
I must admit I am not up to speed on SIOC - the WP plugin looks old, does it work with more recent WP versions? They need to learn how to distribute plugins for the masses.
Great post !!! (as usual ;-))
I more than agree with you regarding the fragmentation of comments and I start to find annoying to have to follow conversations at multiple places. I also read comments in order to get a better picture and sometimes really valuable add on to the article.
I also think that if the traffic start to get out of the blog, then we will soon have less and less blogs...... All publication/sharing services should always link back to the original site for reading and commenting.
Regarding alternate commenting system: you can have a look at coComment outsourced conversations ;-) We provide import AND export. As well as a nice (I think) configuration/styling wizard.
AND we do not allow commenting outside of the site where our simple JS code is inserted.
Great post !!! (as usual ;-))
I more than agree with you regarding the fragmentation of comments and I start to find annoying to have to follow conversations at multiple places. I also read comments in order to get a better picture and sometimes really valuable add on to the article.
I also think that if the traffic start to get out of the blog, then we will soon have less and less blogs...... All publication/sharing services should always link back to the original site for reading and commenting.
Regarding alternate commenting system: you can have a look at coComment outsourced conversations ;-) We provide import AND export. As well as a nice (I think) configuration/styling wizard.
AND we do not allow commenting outside of the site where our simple JS code is inserted.
Now, in answer to your suggestions on using comments as a metric, here are some countermeasures:
1) I rip an article and put it onto 10 splogs.
2) I check the original article once per hour, rip any comments and add those to my splog posts accordingly.
3) I Check all my splogs for additional comments they receive and syndicate those around the some of the other splogs.
Now my splogs have more comments than the original, updated more frequently than the original...
Now, in answer to your suggestions on using comments as a metric, here are some countermeasures:
1) I rip an article and put it onto 10 splogs.
2) I check the original article once per hour, rip any comments and add those to my splog posts accordingly.
3) I Check all my splogs for additional comments they receive and syndicate those around the some of the other splogs.
Now my splogs have more comments than the original, updated more frequently than the original...
Sorry I see you were responding to Andy's comments... I think my last comments were a little ill judged... no offense meant...
I still don't see what the issue is with Google reader though, it I don't think it is responsible for spam. Also, I read more pages in my reader than I would without it, then I visit the best sites to comment.... if it were not for Google reader (which is what I use) then I would read less blogs.
If it is spam you are worried about, then you would need access control on your RSS feed period... for all readers, no direct access via URL etc... and Really Simple Syndication isn't so simple any more!!
The best protection you have against spammers is a convoluted inconsistent badly designed web page, where they cannot easily get the content out of your tags, and there is no RSS feed... but who wants a site like that!!
Sorry I see you were responding to Andy's comments... I think my last comments were a little ill judged... no offense meant...
I still don't see what the issue is with Google reader though, it I don't think it is responsible for spam. Also, I read more pages in my reader than I would without it, then I visit the best sites to comment.... if it were not for Google reader (which is what I use) then I would read less blogs.
If it is spam you are worried about, then you would need access control on your RSS feed period... for all readers, no direct access via URL etc... and Really Simple Syndication isn't so simple any more!!
The best protection you have against spammers is a convoluted inconsistent badly designed web page, where they cannot easily get the content out of your tags, and there is no RSS feed... but who wants a site like that!!
but your post title caught my attention.
We all "know" that blogs are SEO magnets, and that
they can pull traffic in form all corners of the web,
but I was talking to a marketing buddy of mine and she says
she's had mor eluck with her SEO resulrs with static html and php sites thna she did with professionally designed SEO-ed to the max blogs.
It shouldn't be that way, but it turned out that, for her,
she could say, "Why have blogs at all? indeed
The thing is, if it wasn't for RSS readers, I probably wouldn't be getting your information delivered to my desktop.
Blogs are here to stay, but aren't easier to read than regular websites, according to my reader's feedback
Thanks,
Dan
but your post title caught my attention.
We all "know" that blogs are SEO magnets, and that
they can pull traffic in form all corners of the web,
but I was talking to a marketing buddy of mine and she says
she's had mor eluck with her SEO resulrs with static html and php sites thna she did with professionally designed SEO-ed to the max blogs.
It shouldn't be that way, but it turned out that, for her,
she could say, "Why have blogs at all? indeed
The thing is, if it wasn't for RSS readers, I probably wouldn't be getting your information delivered to my desktop.
Blogs are here to stay, but aren't easier to read than regular websites, according to my reader's feedback
Thanks,
Dan
You might want to check this site out:
http://fav.or.it/
It's essentially a new RSS reader except that it has the ability to read and write comments from within the reader itself. I haven't used it yet because they haven't let me into the beta testing but if this thing takes off it will definitely change the way people interact with blog content.
If integrated comments become a standard practice, then it will certainly change the way people make money off of their blog. I assume people will just have to adapt to a different type of advertising.
-Matt
You might want to check this site out:
http://fav.or.it/
It's essentially a new RSS reader except that it has the ability to read and write comments from within the reader itself. I haven't used it yet because they haven't let me into the beta testing but if this thing takes off it will definitely change the way people interact with blog content.
If integrated comments become a standard practice, then it will certainly change the way people make money off of their blog. I assume people will just have to adapt to a different type of advertising.
-Matt
Do you think a blog that doesn't allow comments can be a real blog? I'm concerned about this. I don't allow comments on my blog - Money is the Way, but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing. The problem is, I don't like spam, or bad spelling and grammar (I'm very neurotic about that), and I'm not even sure that comments would be suitable for my sort of blog. However, I only have a pagerank of 3 after 13 months - that's not great, is it?
Regards
Michael Fowke
Do you think a blog that doesn't allow comments can be a real blog? I'm concerned about this. I don't allow comments on my blog - Money is the Way, but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing. The problem is, I don't like spam, or bad spelling and grammar (I'm very neurotic about that), and I'm not even sure that comments would be suitable for my sort of blog. However, I only have a pagerank of 3 after 13 months - that's not great, is it?
Regards
Michael Fowke
The future of the internet being a place of expression and creativity is dependant on these issues being solved. Who could be bothered blogging year in, year out, if all their words get ripped of on a regular basis?
A simple solution to all these issues could be for Google to allow bloggers to "ping" them with a new post to their blog. It would timestamp the blog and thereafter visit and index it.
This would be foolproof as no splogger could ever get a timestamp earlier than the original blog author. There would be no more ambiguity as to the original author.
The author would of course have the responsibility to initiate the ping, but any blogger in his right mind would take this seriously and make this part of their routine, immediately after posting. If they neglect to do so, and someone steals their post, they would only have themselves to blame.
Google could thus apply heavily it's duplicate content filters, not only in the SERPs, but also to it's RSS reader.
Am I insane, or is this actually a simple solution to a complex issue?
James.
The future of the internet being a place of expression and creativity is dependant on these issues being solved. Who could be bothered blogging year in, year out, if all their words get ripped of on a regular basis?
A simple solution to all these issues could be for Google to allow bloggers to "ping" them with a new post to their blog. It would timestamp the blog and thereafter visit and index it.
This would be foolproof as no splogger could ever get a timestamp earlier than the original blog author. There would be no more ambiguity as to the original author.
The author would of course have the responsibility to initiate the ping, but any blogger in his right mind would take this seriously and make this part of their routine, immediately after posting. If they neglect to do so, and someone steals their post, they would only have themselves to blame.
Google could thus apply heavily it's duplicate content filters, not only in the SERPs, but also to it's RSS reader.
Am I insane, or is this actually a simple solution to a complex issue?
James.
* The content within comments - keywords, language structure, length etc
* The number of comments
* Update frequency of the page (gaining additional comments over time)
One can create a blog that will generate comments in certain intervals of time. Or the script can just parse the comments from other blogs and insert them in the generated one. Google will not be able to understand that the comments are generated ones.
* The content within comments - keywords, language structure, length etc
* The number of comments
* Update frequency of the page (gaining additional comments over time)
One can create a blog that will generate comments in certain intervals of time. Or the script can just parse the comments from other blogs and insert them in the generated one. Google will not be able to understand that the comments are generated ones.