DISQUS

Michael D · 1 year ago

Good to see you more frequently on Twitter. I was wondering myself about tweets coming through, as it seems I miss some once in awhile. I was checking out twittervision, and I guess they only display a group of tweets at a time, and then refresh with a new group. After leaving it up on my screen for a while, it looked like many tweets from people I follow were not showing up.

AndyBeard · 1 year ago

I am not sure how much time I will spend directly on Twitter, if it isn't delivering a message to all the people who follow, it seems like a huge time investment into a fragmented unreliable communications service.
I have a feeling all Twitter clients will generally work in the same ways as Twhirl, and the web interface. You don't receive full content from the people you follow.

Maybe someone will come up with a tool that allows you to direct message all your followers., but that only works because lots of them will subsequently be sent emails - why not just encourage email?

Michael D · 1 year ago

Good to see you more frequently on Twitter. I was wondering myself about tweets coming through, as it seems I miss some once in awhile. I was checking out twittervision, and I guess they only display a group of tweets at a time, and then refresh with a new group. After leaving it up on my screen for a while, it looked like many tweets from people I follow were not showing up.

AndyBeard · 1 year ago

I am not sure how much time I will spend directly on Twitter, if it isn't delivering a message to all the people who follow, it seems like a huge time investment into a fragmented unreliable communications service.
I have a feeling all Twitter clients will generally work in the same ways as Twhirl, and the web interface. You don't receive full content from the people you follow.

Maybe someone will come up with a tool that allows you to direct message all your followers., but that only works because lots of them will subsequently be sent emails - why not just encourage email?

Bret Taylor · 1 year ago

Andy, thanks for pointing out this ordering issue. FYI, we are not making calls to the Twitter API in the way you mention, but the ordering issue is annoying independent of the technical details. We will fix the issue this week.

Thanks for using FriendFeed!

AndyBeard · 1 year ago

Interesting, so if you are storing all the data this is a search play?

Bret Taylor · 1 year ago

Andy, thanks for pointing out this ordering issue. FYI, we are not making calls to the Twitter API in the way you mention, but the ordering issue is annoying independent of the technical details. We will fix the issue this week.

Thanks for using FriendFeed!

AndyBeard · 1 year ago

Interesting, so if you are storing all the data this is a search play?

Tris Hussey · 1 year ago

The biggest problem with Twitter is that things that use the API can only pull 20 items (20 replies, 20 DMs, and 20 tweets) at a time, Gtalk and RSS get all of them.

There isn't an easy way to handle the level of info and still follow a decent number of people. I think I'm going to try Sam Harrelson's suggestion to sub to the RSS feed and then use filter within FeedDemon to highlight the folks I need/want to highlight.

Now the question will be is if the Twitter proxy idea will take off.

Could Twitter be more reliable? Yes, but not as it is now.

Tris Hussey · 1 year ago

The biggest problem with Twitter is that things that use the API can only pull 20 items (20 replies, 20 DMs, and 20 tweets) at a time, Gtalk and RSS get all of them.

There isn't an easy way to handle the level of info and still follow a decent number of people. I think I'm going to try Sam Harrelson's suggestion to sub to the RSS feed and then use filter within FeedDemon to highlight the folks I need/want to highlight.

Now the question will be is if the Twitter proxy idea will take off.

Could Twitter be more reliable? Yes, but not as it is now.

nishu · 1 year ago

When some one tweets using "@" character.. You will get that message in your feed ONLY when you are following the person to whom the reply is sent. This is not an error .. It is a FEATURE.

nishu · 1 year ago

When some one tweets using "@" character.. You will get that message in your feed ONLY when you are following the person to whom the reply is sent. This is not an error .. It is a FEATURE.

pprlisa · 1 year ago

Great post Andy - I have been trying to understand why Twitter gets a pass on these clear flaws. So many 'tech gurus' who would lambaste another tech product for these problems, seem to see Twitter through rose colored glasses. I like Twitter, I am on it a decent amount, I have met some people and had some good conversations, but the bugs drive me crazy - what drives me the most crazy though are those in the tech community that seem to ignore the bugs and unfairly give Twitter a reliability pass.

pprlisa · 1 year ago

Great post Andy - I have been trying to understand why Twitter gets a pass on these clear flaws. So many 'tech gurus' who would lambaste another tech product for these problems, seem to see Twitter through rose colored glasses. I like Twitter, I am on it a decent amount, I have met some people and had some good conversations, but the bugs drive me crazy - what drives me the most crazy though are those in the tech community that seem to ignore the bugs and unfairly give Twitter a reliability pass.

Tris Hussey · 1 year ago

nishu there is a preference to let you see @'s from people you don't follow. This is a great feature.

AndyBeard · 1 year ago

The setting says @ replies to the people I am following, which I have taken to mean that if in the above example Chris Pirillo sent an @ to Rob, I would see that as well, without having to follow Chris.

In that way you would see both sides of the conversation, a bit like sites which don't normally appear on Techmeme can be brought into the conversation with links.

I have now set mine to see all @ messages

I have always seen some of the @messages sent from people I follow to people I don't follow, but not all of them.

However the explanation in the help section is a little clearer

* Default: @ replies to the people I'm following

I receive @replies from people I follow under the condition that I also follow the person they are replying to. This setting is ideal for those seeking the happy medium in Twitter interaction, as @replies are still visible, but restricted to mutual followers. (Do you err on the side of caution? I am for you.)

* Always: all @ replies

I receive all @replies from people I follow, even if I don't follow the person to whom the @reply is directed.This setting is ideal for those seeking maximum social Twitter interaction, as viewing replies to people you don’t follow may spur impulsive or compulsive Twitter reading (or both!) as well as more potential @replying on your part. You may develop an unexpected interest in friends of friends, followers of friends, friends of followers. (Do you fly by the seat of your panties? Pick me!)

* Never: no @ replies

I never, ever receive @replies, and I never want to. I could care less about twitters directed at other people, whether I know them or not. This setting is ideal for those looking for minimal social-conversational Twitter interaction. (Slightly antisocial? Abhor social networking? It's me you want.)

So if I had my settings on the default, how do I see Rob's reply to Chris?

Tris Hussey · 1 year ago

nishu there is a preference to let you see @'s from people you don't follow. This is a great feature.

AndyBeard · 1 year ago

The setting says @ replies to the people I am following, which I have taken to mean that if in the above example Chris Pirillo sent an @ to Rob, I would see that as well, without having to follow Chris.

In that way you would see both sides of the conversation, a bit like sites which don't normally appear on Techmeme can be brought into the conversation with links.

I have now set mine to see all @ messages

I have always seen some of the @messages sent from people I follow to people I don't follow, but not all of them.

However the explanation in the help section is a little clearer

* Default: @ replies to the people I'm following

I receive @replies from people I follow under the condition that I also follow the person they are replying to. This setting is ideal for those seeking the happy medium in Twitter interaction, as @replies are still visible, but restricted to mutual followers. (Do you err on the side of caution? I am for you.)

* Always: all @ replies

I receive all @replies from people I follow, even if I don't follow the person to whom the @reply is directed.This setting is ideal for those seeking maximum social Twitter interaction, as viewing replies to people you don’t follow may spur impulsive or compulsive Twitter reading (or both!) as well as more potential @replying on your part. You may develop an unexpected interest in friends of friends, followers of friends, friends of followers. (Do you fly by the seat of your panties? Pick me!)

* Never: no @ replies

I never, ever receive @replies, and I never want to. I could care less about twitters directed at other people, whether I know them or not. This setting is ideal for those looking for minimal social-conversational Twitter interaction. (Slightly antisocial? Abhor social networking? It's me you want.)

So if I had my settings on the default, how do I see Rob's reply to Chris?

notjohnchow · 1 year ago

Twitter, Digg, Stumble, EntreCard, FaceBook. I can't keep up. Us part time bloggers can get overwelmed by all the activity. I wish there was a way to consolidate all of these into one access point.

Not John Chow · 1 year ago

Twitter, Digg, Stumble, EntreCard, FaceBook. I can't keep up. Us part time bloggers can get overwelmed by all the activity. I wish there was a way to consolidate all of these into one access point.

Jim · 1 year ago

I have noticed a disconnect in a lot of the Twitter software as well. Thanks for pointing this out, I thought I was crazy ;)

I use the Gmail G-Talk function to update my status, I think that works pretty well

Jim · 1 year ago

I have noticed a disconnect in a lot of the Twitter software as well. Thanks for pointing this out, I thought I was crazy ;)

I use the Gmail G-Talk function to update my status, I think that works pretty well

King Vanlines · 1 year ago

I've always wondered what the best way to use twitter. i didnt know they supplied a lot tools to their users.

King Vanlines · 1 year ago

I've always wondered what the best way to use twitter. i didnt know they supplied a lot tools to their users.

Damien Riley · 1 year ago

Nice article, the screenshots are amazing. I've played with Twitter on many "platforms" and the best integration tool for me is the Facebook app. I can make a Facebook status change and it shows up on both.

Damien Riley · 1 year ago

Nice article, the screenshots are amazing. I've played with Twitter on many "platforms" and the best integration tool for me is the Facebook app. I can make a Facebook status change and it shows up on both.

Adam · 1 year ago

have noticed a disconnect in a lot of the Twitter software as well. Thanks for pointing this out, I thought I was crazy ;)

Adam · 1 year ago

have noticed a disconnect in a lot of the Twitter software as well. Thanks for pointing this out, I thought I was crazy ;)

Bibokz · 1 year ago

How much traffic do this tool bring in your site? In percentage.. if you don't mind.

Bibokz · 1 year ago

How much traffic do this tool bring in your site? In percentage.. if you don't mind.

John Morgan · 1 year ago

I think twitter has proved it is simply just another site that spammers can you use to generate traffic to their bogus sites. Its going to be a long time before we find a tool/site that can give us good content that we want. Thoughts?

John Morgan · 1 year ago

I think twitter has proved it is simply just another site that spammers can you use to generate traffic to their bogus sites. Its going to be a long time before we find a tool/site that can give us good content that we want. Thoughts?

Daniel McGonagle @ http://dani · 1 year ago

Very insightful post here.

Seems like a lot of these social sites get
a lot of press and hype but it's really all
about deliverability and accountability.

You should ask yourself...IF your messages
get through does that do anything for you?

HITS= How Idiots Track Sales...

Therefore, the quality of the traffic
and the deliverability of the messages
to that traffic is critical...

Great post, keep up the good work

Daniel McGonagle
http;//marketersrelief.com

Daniel McGonagle @ http://dani · 1 year ago

Very insightful post here.

Seems like a lot of these social sites get
a lot of press and hype but it's really all
about deliverability and accountability.

You should ask yourself...IF your messages
get through does that do anything for you?

HITS= How Idiots Track Sales...

Therefore, the quality of the traffic
and the deliverability of the messages
to that traffic is critical...

Great post, keep up the good work

Daniel McGonagle
http;//marketersrelief.com

Seduction Tips · 1 year ago

I'm still yet to see the relevance of using twitter. I guess it would be efficient for a workplace environment, but it just seems to take up much needed time!

Seduction Tips · 1 year ago

I'm still yet to see the relevance of using twitter. I guess it would be efficient for a workplace environment, but it just seems to take up much needed time!

Lisa Stewart- Higher Rankings · 1 year ago

Maybe I am missing something- I have tried and tried but I just don't get the whole Twitter thing... I know several people who are addicted to it. I WANT to like it.. but I can't get into it.

Lisa Stewart- Higher Rankings · 1 year ago

Maybe I am missing something- I have tried and tried but I just don't get the whole Twitter thing... I know several people who are addicted to it. I WANT to like it.. but I can't get into it.

Manish · 1 year ago

i had a doubt about twitter and you made it a reality with this post.thanx

Manish · 1 year ago

i had a doubt about twitter and you made it a reality with this post.thanx

Reginald · 1 year ago

I am far from being afraid to public admit my ignorance. I just don't get the tweeter concept. Anyone care to break this down for the beginner?

Reginald · 1 year ago

I am far from being afraid to public admit my ignorance. I just don't get the tweeter concept. Anyone care to break this down for the beginner?

Jason Goldman · 1 year ago

Andy - I think it's important to look into the reliability of Twitter. It's something we're spending a lot of time improving and there's definitely things we need to do better.

In this case, however, I think there's more confusion over one of our settings than there is a problem with our reliability.

As you note in your update and the comment above, you did not see the @ replies because they were directed to people you do not follow.

By default we do not show you @ replies directed at people you do not follow. Therefore those posts were never going to make it into your friends timeline. Now that you've changed your setting, you'll see everything.

The reason you saw Rob's reply to Chris is because he made a typo. There is no user @chrisprillo; Chris's username is @chrispirillo. If a username doesn't match in an @reply, we send it out to everyone (because people use the @ reply for other meanings).

Now, I don't want to give the impression that everything works perfectly. For one thing, it's clear that this setting is confusing. And we've had bugs with how @ replys appear. There's a lot more we need to do to improve both our user experience and our overall reliability.

But in this case I hope this helps explain why your test doesn't actually show a deliverability problem.

Thanks.

Jason Goldman · 1 year ago

Andy - I think it's important to look into the reliability of Twitter. It's something we're spending a lot of time improving and there's definitely things we need to do better.

In this case, however, I think there's more confusion over one of our settings than there is a problem with our reliability.

As you note in your update and the comment above, you did not see the @ replies because they were directed to people you do not follow.

By default we do not show you @ replies directed at people you do not follow. Therefore those posts were never going to make it into your friends timeline. Now that you've changed your setting, you'll see everything.

The reason you saw Rob's reply to Chris is because he made a typo. There is no user @chrisprillo; Chris's username is @chrispirillo. If a username doesn't match in an @reply, we send it out to everyone (because people use the @ reply for other meanings).

Now, I don't want to give the impression that everything works perfectly. For one thing, it's clear that this setting is confusing. And we've had bugs with how @ replys appear. There's a lot more we need to do to improve both our user experience and our overall reliability.

But in this case I hope this helps explain why your test doesn't actually show a deliverability problem.

Thanks.

WebbyrÃ¥ · 1 year ago

The social part of the web is spread across thousands of different sites. Wouldn't it be great to rather have a seamless layer on top of the web that everyone can build from and equally have access to?

Twitter has improved a lot, though.

WebbyrÃ¥ · 1 year ago

The social part of the web is spread across thousands of different sites. Wouldn't it be great to rather have a seamless layer on top of the web that everyone can build from and equally have access to?

Twitter has improved a lot, though.