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Andy Beard - Internet Business Systems Discussion: Technorati Can't Cope With Twitter, coComment, Blog Networks, and Blog Rolls

  • the networthless guy · 2 years ago
    Fantastic post! There is a reason I link to you!
  • the networthless guy · 2 years ago
    Fantastic post! There is a reason I link to you!
  • Paula Neal Mooney · 2 years ago
    Interesting post.

    Maybe Technorati will take you up on your suggestions.

    And even though I use sites like "Blogging Chicks," which you said is "gaming" the system, I do have lot of genuine SEO traffic.

    I believe my daily content would keep my Technorati ranking around 2,500 or so and much higher -- where, thank the Lord Jesus -- it has climbed to now.

    We'll see what comes of this all.

    You're probably keeping those Technorati developers busy!
  • Paula Neal Mooney · 2 years ago
    Interesting post.

    Maybe Technorati will take you up on your suggestions.

    And even though I use sites like "Blogging Chicks," which you said is "gaming" the system, I do have lot of genuine SEO traffic.

    I believe my daily content would keep my Technorati ranking around 2,500 or so and much higher -- where, thank the Lord Jesus -- it has climbed to now.

    We'll see what comes of this all.

    You're probably keeping those Technorati developers busy!
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Paula the widget blogrolls are not gaming the system any more than Weblogs Inc or B5 Media - both respectable blog networks.

    Other bloggers do something to level the playing field, though I am not sure that is totally to their advantage.

    Search traffic is heavily to do with keyword choices and you do a great job spotting highly controversial stories that are going to bring in traffic.

    You are also doing a good job with social proof in your sidebar.

    It is strange, even after 2000 bloggers was meant to be nerfed, I still see it crop up in Technorati links.
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Paula the widget blogrolls are not gaming the system any more than Weblogs Inc or B5 Media - both respectable blog networks.

    Other bloggers do something to level the playing field, though I am not sure that is totally to their advantage.

    Search traffic is heavily to do with keyword choices and you do a great job spotting highly controversial stories that are going to bring in traffic.

    You are also doing a good job with social proof in your sidebar.

    It is strange, even after 2000 bloggers was meant to be nerfed, I still see it crop up in Technorati links.
  • Eve · 2 years ago
    Wow Andy, you have done it again! Great article and I am honored to be in your favorites! :-) I wanted to thank you for all your help both personally given and via all of your articles, you have been my inspiration! :-)
  • Eve · 2 years ago
    Wow Andy, you have done it again! Great article and I am honored to be in your favorites! :-) I wanted to thank you for all your help both personally given and via all of your articles, you have been my inspiration! :-)
  • Jeremy Wright · 2 years ago
    Hey Andy, great commentary (as usual).

    Just a note that we're dropping the "big blogroll" thing from b5media (I believe we're the first network to do this). See the beta of the new template at www.ensight.org (my personal blog).

    The reason was pretty simple: even though it'll likely hurt our Google/Technorati rank in the short term, only highlighting relevant sites in the network in the sidebar is far better for our readers. They don't get swamped and they aren't forced to look at every blog as a massive list (nevermind filtering through it to find the ONE blog they want to read).

    Not that we've given up on showing off our blogs, we've just moved all that to the footer and created more of a "discovery zone" so that people who do want to poke around can. And for folk who don't, the sidebar is far, far cleaner than it was before.

    Long and short is you'll see less "blogroll spam" in Technorati from us, even if it means we drop a few thousand in average ranking.

    Maybe I should write a post about this ;-)
  • Jeremy Wright · 2 years ago
    Hey Andy, great commentary (as usual).

    Just a note that we're dropping the "big blogroll" thing from b5media (I believe we're the first network to do this). See the beta of the new template at www.ensight.org (my personal blog).

    The reason was pretty simple: even though it'll likely hurt our Google/Technorati rank in the short term, only highlighting relevant sites in the network in the sidebar is far better for our readers. They don't get swamped and they aren't forced to look at every blog as a massive list (nevermind filtering through it to find the ONE blog they want to read).

    Not that we've given up on showing off our blogs, we've just moved all that to the footer and created more of a "discovery zone" so that people who do want to poke around can. And for folk who don't, the sidebar is far, far cleaner than it was before.

    Long and short is you'll see less "blogroll spam" in Technorati from us, even if it means we drop a few thousand in average ranking.

    Maybe I should write a post about this ;-)
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Actually there are better ways to do it (at least in my opinion), one of these days we should touch bases on it.

    Relevancy and LSI based linking is very important these days, and it is fun out-ranking Matt Cutts on terms like "Toolbar Pagerank" though that is quite by chance, it wasn't a keyword I was trying to rank for.

    Lots of your blogs get very natural linking, and the interlinking can actually be done in a more user beneficial way and there could be some great monetization twists.

    I must admit I have rarely browsed the blogs on the sidebar, and have more frequently ended up on a b5 blog following natural links.

    Yes, you should use it for some positive PR

    At least all your blogs on the blogroll are alive - Weblogs Inc have some extremely dead blogs still listed.
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Actually there are better ways to do it (at least in my opinion), one of these days we should touch bases on it.

    Relevancy and LSI based linking is very important these days, and it is fun out-ranking Matt Cutts on terms like "Toolbar Pagerank" though that is quite by chance, it wasn't a keyword I was trying to rank for.

    Lots of your blogs get very natural linking, and the interlinking can actually be done in a more user beneficial way and there could be some great monetization twists.

    I must admit I have rarely browsed the blogs on the sidebar, and have more frequently ended up on a b5 blog following natural links.

    Yes, you should use it for some positive PR

    At least all your blogs on the blogroll are alive - Weblogs Inc have some extremely dead blogs still listed.
  • max · 2 years ago
    Interesting post as usual.

    We contacted the Technorati staff before working on the claiming feature asking them how to proceed, and we were open to suggestions/remarks, however we never received an answer. A warning from them about a possible nerf would have changed the way we looked at claiming (i guess we would have looked for an alternative to Technorati).

    Anyway, we are still trying to figure out how they proceed with coComment claimed feeds, maybe we can improve things on our side, maybe it s a side effect of a change they made in their search results page, who knows, but as long as they ignore us we are in the dark.

    max
    coComment developer
  • max · 2 years ago
    Interesting post as usual.

    We contacted the Technorati staff before working on the claiming feature asking them how to proceed, and we were open to suggestions/remarks, however we never received an answer. A warning from them about a possible nerf would have changed the way we looked at claiming (i guess we would have looked for an alternative to Technorati).

    Anyway, we are still trying to figure out how they proceed with coComment claimed feeds, maybe we can improve things on our side, maybe it s a side effect of a change they made in their search results page, who knows, but as long as they ignore us we are in the dark.

    max
    coComment developer
  • christophe · 2 years ago
    I think Max is a little upset to have worked night and days on this feature to discover that for some still unknown reasons this is now not working ;-)

    Actually, we are still investigating what is happening and it is still too early to tell where are the problems. Right now, I do not think it is appropriate to blame anyone and to jump to conclusions.

    When we decided to implement this integration, we believed this was a good win-win-win for bloggers, Technorati and us: all of us getting more content and/or visibility. The next step is probably to get more structure in that content, but getting and indexing all valuable content from a blog seems to be quite a interesting direction, no ?

    And many thanks to Andy for pointing that issue to us !

    Christophe.
  • christophe · 2 years ago
    I think Max is a little upset to have worked night and days on this feature to discover that for some still unknown reasons this is now not working ;-)

    Actually, we are still investigating what is happening and it is still too early to tell where are the problems. Right now, I do not think it is appropriate to blame anyone and to jump to conclusions.

    When we decided to implement this integration, we believed this was a good win-win-win for bloggers, Technorati and us: all of us getting more content and/or visibility. The next step is probably to get more structure in that content, but getting and indexing all valuable content from a blog seems to be quite a interesting direction, no ?

    And many thanks to Andy for pointing that issue to us !

    Christophe.
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Christophe I think Max has a reason to be upset, because coComment whilst creating lots of links, it wasn't creating links from lots of feeds - it is hard to analyse it correctly now, but I believe the links were only from "Your Neighbors"

    There is a limit to how many neighbors show, thus it doesn't twist results extensively, and Technorati popularity is based upon unique blogs linking to you.
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Christophe I think Max has a reason to be upset, because coComment whilst creating lots of links, it wasn't creating links from lots of feeds - it is hard to analyse it correctly now, but I believe the links were only from "Your Neighbors"

    There is a limit to how many neighbors show, thus it doesn't twist results extensively, and Technorati popularity is based upon unique blogs linking to you.
  • Jeremy Wright · 2 years ago
    Hey Andy,

    Always happy to chat. I've been travelling a bit much lately, but will try and ping you in the next couple of weeks (though feel free to beat me to it) :)

    As an FYI, I didn't receive any comment notifications, hence my delay in responding :)
  • Jeremy Wright · 2 years ago
    Hey Andy,

    Always happy to chat. I've been travelling a bit much lately, but will try and ping you in the next couple of weeks (though feel free to beat me to it) :)

    As an FYI, I didn't receive any comment notifications, hence my delay in responding :)
  • Astorg · 2 years ago
    Gosh, but how do you claim a Twitter “blog” (i.e., I assume, your profile page) on Technorati?

    Part of the Technorati claim process involves allowing Technorati to spider your blog to find a code snippet they ask you to insert. But Twitter doesn’t allow html in posts. So how did you get round that one?
  • Astorg · 2 years ago
    Gosh, but how do you claim a Twitter “blog” (i.e., I assume, your profile page) on Technorati?

    Part of the Technorati claim process involves allowing Technorati to spider your blog to find a code snippet they ask you to insert. But Twitter doesn’t allow html in posts. So how did you get round that one?
  • christophe · 2 years ago
    @andy: I'm not sure about the links how this was actually influencing Technorati ranking. My guess is that this wasn't affecting it in a significant way.

    But, actually, we were not focusing only on links, but also on search results: with comments on your blog indexed, this can give more visibility from a search results to your blog. Also, this give visibility on your own comments. As the link to your comment display the blog where you commented + a side bar with a reference to you and your own blogs, this was also increasing your own presence on Technorati search results.

    The idea here is also that someone just commenting, without actually having a blog, become visible in the *sphere: everyone contributing can now have an "existence".

    Thanks
    Christophe
  • christophe · 2 years ago
    @andy: I'm not sure about the links how this was actually influencing Technorati ranking. My guess is that this wasn't affecting it in a significant way.

    But, actually, we were not focusing only on links, but also on search results: with comments on your blog indexed, this can give more visibility from a search results to your blog. Also, this give visibility on your own comments. As the link to your comment display the blog where you commented + a side bar with a reference to you and your own blogs, this was also increasing your own presence on Technorati search results.

    The idea here is also that someone just commenting, without actually having a blog, become visible in the *sphere: everyone contributing can now have an "existence".

    Thanks
    Christophe
  • Baxter Tocher · 2 years ago
    Andy, thanks for the advice that Technorati isn't playing ball with coComment. I had presumed that I hadn't set the coComment integration up properly!

    Is there any news on whether they intend to change their policy on this?
  • Baxter Tocher · 2 years ago
    Andy, thanks for the advice that Technorati isn't playing ball with coComment. I had presumed that I hadn't set the coComment integration up properly!

    Is there any news on whether they intend to change their policy on this?
  • christophe · 2 years ago
    As far as we know, there is no intention from Technorati to block us.
    We are still investigating what is happening and we hope to come very soon with a working solution.
    We will keep you posted on our blog when we will make progress.
  • christophe · 2 years ago
    As far as we know, there is no intention from Technorati to block us.
    We are still investigating what is happening and we hope to come very soon with a working solution.
    We will keep you posted on our blog when we will make progress.
  • Baxter Tocher · 2 years ago
    Thanks, Christophe - I'll make sure I'm subscribed to the coComment blog (as well as Andy's, of course).
  • Baxter Tocher · 2 years ago
    Thanks, Christophe - I'll make sure I'm subscribed to the coComment blog (as well as Andy's, of course).
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  • joelle · 2 years ago
    I still don't understand all the fuzz about twitter.
  • joelle · 2 years ago
    I still don't understand all the fuzz about twitter.
  • Vish..! · 2 years ago
    That was a good stuff..

    Thanks for that article..

    Vish..!
  • Vish..! · 2 years ago
    That was a good stuff..

    Thanks for that article..

    Vish..!
  • 1389 · 2 years ago
    I followed these instructions for how to claim your Twitter account as a blog on Technorati. It takes only my own tweets, not the entire RSS stream with all my friends' tweets. I think that is the best way to interface Twitter with Technorati.
  • 1389 · 2 years ago
    I followed these instructions for how to claim your Twitter account as a blog on Technorati. It takes only my own tweets, not the entire RSS stream with all my friends' tweets. I think that is the best way to interface Twitter with Technorati.