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Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

AndyBeard — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:26:28 -0000

Duncan I think if Michael hadn't been so ambiguous in his first post on the subject, and preferably he had posted before the event in some way (or the organisers) things would have played out differently.
I would think half the exhibitors have appeared on Techcrunch in the past or their competitors, and a chunk of them are past or potential advertisers.

Mikes initial message, if it had been the whole story, would suggest that even his likeness was used without permission.

It is pretty much water under the bridge now... Ricks post cleared up a lot of what happened, though I don't agree he should take 100% of the blame.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

AndyBeard — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:26:28 -0000

Mikes initial message, if it had been the whole story, would suggest that even his likeness was used without permission.

It is pretty much water under the bridge now... Ricks post cleared up a lot of what happened, though I don't agree he should take 100% of the blame.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

DavidCohen — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:13:14 -0000

Let me just add that while (as you pointed out) I was expecting Mike to be there, that this was just based on the agenda posted for blog world, not from any direct communication from mike.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

DavidCohen — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:13:14 -0000

Let me just add that while (as you pointed out) I was expecting Mike to be there, that this was just based on the agenda posted for blog world, not from any direct communication from mike.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Vlad — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0000

You naughty bloggers lol. Mike Arrington is a good guy. Leave him alone!

He did not forget. He was to busy interviewing senator McCain. Of course I am disappointed in the interview, I would love to hear what senator thinks of Pornotube. I hope Mike gets a chance to interview all of them. So one more time, please leave Mike alone.

;)

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Vlad — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0000

You naughty bloggers lol. Mike Arrington is a good guy. Leave him alone!

;)

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Jordan Mitchell — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:22:17 -0000

I think Mike is a straight shooter. It doesn't resonate with me that he had some sort of motive in manipulation here.

If the blogosphere is looking for drama/conspiracy, then perhaps consider the benefit Rick/BlogWorld received by *announcing* Arrington's presence -- surely that alone drove many other speakers, exhibitors and attendees.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Jordan Mitchell — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:22:17 -0000

I think Mike is a straight shooter. It doesn't resonate with me that he had some sort of motive in manipulation here.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Duncan — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:39:02 -0000

Actually Andy
Michael never once told me he was going: the BlogWorldExpo people told me he was going and it was in this context as part of a long conversation which is not included in your quote. It's entirely unfair to quote what I've written out of its full context to use it in one that its doesn't apply to.

As for TechCrunch gaining from exposure, you'll have to forgive me but if it wasn't for this current debate, the spam I received and my personal (now resolved I'd note) issue with Rick Calvert I would never had known the event was on. I'm really struggling to recall anything at all I've read about it in my 300 odd feeds I read every day, until of course this point on Michael's attendance. Please put a little bit more perspective on this: most of BlogWorldExpo's audience isn't TechCrunch's main audience, and it's not even on the radar on my reading list. I can't speak for Michael but I know that he reads a lot less than I do because he's a lot more time poor: simply he wouldn't have known about the use of his name prior to this...heck, aside from me being told by someone involved in the expo that Michael was speaking I wouldn't have known, and I certainly had zero idea that it was some sort of major keynote etc.

End of the day if Michael said he'd see what he could do, and it wasn't resolved that's not a confirmation. There's even a Facebook invite decline prior to the event with Michaels name on it.

If anything there's been a communications breakdown that leads to the organization of this event, nothing more: how hard would it have been to ring the week before to confirm attendance for example? If it was my conference I would have :-)

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Duncan — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:39:02 -0000

End of the day if Michael said he'd see what he could do, and it wasn't resolved that's not a confirmation. There's even a Facebook invite decline prior to the event with Michaels name on it.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Kathy — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:06:00 -0000

Wait a minute... MA has a staff of writers ... heck, he's even hired a CEO for his blog and yet... he hasn't bothered to hire a PA!! (Hint: When you're only able to read 10% of your email... it's time for a PA or a VA... and a new "private" email address!)

I know they say that there's no such thing as bad press... but this could very well be the exception to the rule.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Kathy — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:06:00 -0000

I know they say that there's no such thing as bad press... but this could very well be the exception to the rule.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

charlieanzman — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:05:52 -0000

Andy - We did a brief on the drama earlier today. Perhaps we are all adding to TechCrunch's bottom line. One thing is for sure ... They all added to Justines !

In any event ... adding you to our blogroll, in less, of course ... I forget ?

Charlie Anzman
SEO and Tech Daily

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

charlieanzman — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:05:52 -0000

Andy - We did a brief on the drama earlier today. Perhaps we are all adding to TechCrunch's bottom line. One thing is for sure ... They all added to Justines !

In any event ... adding you to our blogroll, in less, of course ... I forget ?

Charlie Anzman
SEO and Tech Daily

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

marc — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:31:08 -0000

Very good analysis of the issues. I totally agree with you. Mike writes, 'the event organizers had it all wrong' and then continues, 'i read 10% of my email' and when asked by Rick if he'll do the show says, 'I said sure, if we can work out the details.'

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

marc — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:31:08 -0000

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

g1smd — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:06:55 -0000

I read the controversy and I don't even know who the dude in question is.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

g1smd — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:06:55 -0000

I read the controversy and I don't even know who the dude in question is.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Robin Gibbinor — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:13:20 -0000

i bet jason follows soon.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Robin Gibbinor — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:13:20 -0000

i bet jason follows soon.

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

lucia — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:37:05 -0000

Wow! Well... no more conference gigs for MA!

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

lucia — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:37:05 -0000

Wow! Well... no more conference gigs for MA!

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Wendy Piersall — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:20:46 -0000

Frankly I don't buy his excuse for a second, especially after the BlogWorld founders casually recapped the phone conversation they had with him the day BEFORE he was supposed to speak.

Honestly, I see it quite simply - the blogosphere has supported Michael and we have propelled him to the top of the charts with our links. And he doesn't seem to think that his commitments to us are worth honoring.

I'm really not "pissed" - just really shocked that one of us would to that to our own community.

*Extremely disappointed.*

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

Wendy Piersall — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:20:46 -0000

Frankly I don't buy his excuse for a second, especially after the BlogWorld founders casually recapped the phone conversation they had with him the day BEFORE he was supposed to speak.

I'm really not "pissed" - just really shocked that one of us would to that to our own community.

*Extremely disappointed.*

Re: Plausible Deniability Just Doesn't Cut It Mr Arrington

AndyBeard — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:54:37 -0000

If you follow some of the links Tony, especially for the second panel, you will see blogs from the investment community that are certainly followed by Techcrunch like a hawk.

Michael's name was being associated with the conference constantly, it would be impossible to not notice it unless you were on an internet free desert island, and that doesn't seem to be the case.

I am sure more will play out, but there has been a whole month of opportunity to set the record straight.

Sure Michael cares about links, his subscriber count was almost static for 3 weeks, and Boing Boing on Technorati Top100 is only 33 links behind.

There is a high chance that traffic on the domain is fairly static, though that is now being diverted to Crunchbase.

I am not suggesting he was never planning to come, or never contemplated and pencilled it in on his schedule.
The exact words Michael said was he never confirmed it, not that he never discussed it.