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Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

ustillup — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:17:32 -0000

To be honest, page rank penalties appear so random. Some site have been thriving for years on the juice of paid links. Other sites have been thriving on selling these links. Every now and then, however, some sites seem to get spanked for what appears to be selling links (to pass page rank). I'm done trying to figure it out. If I've learnt anything from the search engines, I've learnt that some things just can't be figured out.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Ruehl — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:35:41 -0000

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Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Games 247 — Mon, 19 May 2008 10:52:22 -0000

Google wacked my site, gave a -3 Page Rank Penalty, dumped my site at around 80th place and for what, because I bought some links to make it rank higher? Because I sold a couple of links to grow revenue? Well that is advertising Google like you do remember, why else would I do it? I rank good in Yahoo and Msn. All the large corporate sites buy links, hell I even saw some on African blogs for car insurance when their business operates in another continent!. No matter what Google does, anyone with half a brain will always want to be on page 1, no one wants to be on page 88! To give some comparison, another site I have spent no time getting links for gets about 5 page views a day, the one I spend time getting links for gets about 2000 per day, you tell me which is the better strategy?

I can show you now about 100 sites that buy links, yet still rank on the first page and have their page rank intact. Google presumes everyone has to know how they operate, yet they constantly move the goal posts. Now I am supposed to figure out which bit is wrong - which bit they don't like.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Games 247 — Mon, 19 May 2008 10:52:22 -0000

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Carl Berg — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:11:48 -0000

What happpend in the time since you have posted first? did google believe you and ranke you back? Did they answer at all?

The best wishes from germany!

Carl

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Carl Berg — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:11:48 -0000

What happpend in the time since you have posted first? did google believe you and ranke you back? Did they answer at all?

The best wishes from germany!

Carl

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Rob McNealy — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:22:26 -0000

It seems like bloggers just can't win in the Google pagerank game. No links, you lose, sell links you lose. Get too popular, and it's even more likely you'll end up losing.

Sometimes it's too frustrating to even bother to figure out.

-Rob

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Rob McNealy — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:22:26 -0000

It seems like bloggers just can't win in the Google pagerank game. No links, you lose, sell links you lose. Get too popular, and it's even more likely you'll end up losing.

Sometimes it's too frustrating to even bother to figure out.

-Rob

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Andrew — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:35:36 -0000

Hey Andy. Your article is very good. If anything Adam Lasnik's comments do not emphasise what the page rank is all about. Page rank is run by google. But i have noticed something strange. A majority of sites with high PR's and given authority in SERPS by google, in fact run adsense adds. And the ones that don't are penalised. I think it shouldn't matter if you run yahoo ads or adsense adds, if you have a strong site it should rank well and have a good page rank from google.

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Andrew — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:35:36 -0000

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Francisco Costa — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:56:25 -0000

That's the atittude!

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Francisco Costa — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:56:25 -0000

That's the atittude!

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Make Money With Adsense — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:16:49 -0000

thts wht called gutsy here...

apart from fearing to someone do some gutsy stuff.

anyways Page Rank is dead at an age of 2000 :D

Cheers Andy

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

Make Money With Adsense — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:16:49 -0000

thts wht called gutsy here...

apart from fearing to someone do some gutsy stuff.

anyways Page Rank is dead at an age of 2000 :D

Cheers Andy

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

CyberCelt — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:06:56 -0000

Oh, Andy, I am so sorry this happened to you. I think there is an inverse relationship between how influential you are in the blogosphere and the drop in page rank.

I have linked to your blog on Advertising for Success. It went from 4 to 2 to 3. I am also adding a link to you from CoolAdzine, which is holding at 4.

I am banning Google and have a banner if you want it:
http://cooladz.com/ban_goog...

God bless.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

CyberCelt — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:06:56 -0000

Oh, Andy, I am so sorry this happened to you. I think there is an inverse relationship between how influential you are in the blogosphere and the drop in page rank.

I have linked to your blog on Advertising for Success. It went from 4 to 2 to 3. I am also adding a link to you from CoolAdzine, which is holding at 4.

I am banning Google and have a banner if you want it:
http://cooladz.com/ban_goog...

God bless.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

deInternetMarketeer — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:44:47 -0000

Yes like adage there are also a few overhere.
I don't mind these rankings but i don't use my blog alot and don't really care what happens with it.

That quote is indeed someway controversial for Google.
But what can i say about it?
If they lack to clear up some things, perhaps because they want the SEO community to keep talking about non-issues, then that's their problem. Not mine.

Forget the toolbar pagerank, if Google doesn't turn it off turn it off yourself.

It's just that with all those discussions about toolbar pagerank start. People discuss it, other people start blogging about it and at the end of the whole story the majority believes toolbar pagerank is important.

No it isn't! :-)

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

deInternetMarketeer — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:44:47 -0000

Yes like adage there are also a few overhere.
I don't mind these rankings but i don't use my blog alot and don't really care what happens with it.

Forget the toolbar pagerank, if Google doesn't turn it off turn it off yourself.

No it isn't! :-)

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

AndyBeard — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:12:38 -0000

I would be quite happy if they switched it off totally and I am not exactly saying nice things to encourage trust in PageRank.

Alexa and Technorati are not the ones using PR for ratings, but other people are.

Here is an example on a highly respected site

http://adage.com/power150/

This is how Google describe PageRank to the general public in their own words.

Wondering whether a new website is worth your time? Use the Toolbar's PageRankâ„¢ display to tell you how Google assesses the importance of the page you're viewing.

This current update makes that statement a lie, this is nothing to do with search results.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

AndyBeard — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:12:38 -0000

I would be quite happy if they switched it off totally and I am not exactly saying nice things to encourage trust in PageRank.

Alexa and Technorati are not the ones using PR for ratings, but other people are.

Here is an example on a highly respected site

http://adage.com/power150/

This is how Google describe PageRank to the general public in their own words.

Wondering whether a new website is worth your time? Use the Toolbar's PageRankâ„¢ display to tell you how Google assesses the importance of the page you're viewing.

This current update makes that statement a lie, this is nothing to do with search results.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

deInternetMarketeer — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:54:27 -0000

If you keep linkbaiting with this pagerank bullshit people indeed will be confused and still think toolbar pagerank is important.

If Alexa and Technorati still want to use toolbar pagerank as an indication then that's their problem. You don't get much credit when using such things for the calculation of the lists in my eyes.

I read everywere about pagerank these days.
Everybody keeps pushing it, merely for some link baiting. More and more people watch the green bar.
Google had to do only 1 thing to combat abuse of toolbar PR: turn off the toolbar pagerank button/bar.
Instead they choose to update it again and in a few months they are hunting again for toolbar pagerank sellers.
Sorry Google, this was a very wrong decission.

Cut the crap.
No more toolbar pagerank please.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

deInternetMarketeer — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:54:27 -0000

If you keep linkbaiting with this pagerank bullshit people indeed will be confused and still think toolbar pagerank is important.

If Alexa and Technorati still want to use toolbar pagerank as an indication then that's their problem. You don't get much credit when using such things for the calculation of the lists in my eyes.

Cut the crap.
No more toolbar pagerank please.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

AndyBeard — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:59:05 -0000

Pascal, just because you realise it is meaningless and not a direct relation to the real value Google places on the content of a website doesn't mean that is the impression of the general public or the less SEO savvy bloggers.

Pagerank is used in lots of web based metrics just like the easily games Alexa and Technorati numbers, even RSS subscriber numbers can be gamed and are gamed frequently in all manner of ways.

PR is also used in advertising, not just advertising that passes pagerank.

It is all about public perception, though I have also noticed some problems in SERPs as mentioned in a later article.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

AndyBeard — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:59:05 -0000

Pagerank is used in lots of web based metrics just like the easily games Alexa and Technorati numbers, even RSS subscriber numbers can be gamed and are gamed frequently in all manner of ways.

PR is also used in advertising, not just advertising that passes pagerank.

It is all about public perception, though I have also noticed some problems in SERPs as mentioned in a later article.

Re: Penalty Confirmed – But I Don't Sell PageRank

deInternetMarketeer — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:45:30 -0000

Sorry people but if you aren't capable to to make the difference between toolbar pagerank and internal pagerank ...

If - like i read- the toolbar pagerank drops don't affect stats there is clearly no relation between toolbar pagerank and reality for rankings.

So why do you even look at toolbar pagerank?

This is getting ridicilious.