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But in a way, how bad can the "evaporating" be? Time will tell, I guess. I'm sure a lot of websites have to redesign their structure.
But in a way, how bad can the "evaporating" be? Time will tell, I guess. I'm sure a lot of websites have to redesign their structure.
Imagine if you had a sales page for a membership site that only had 3 links, one to legal papers, one a design credit link, and the third to a login page.
If the juice from the login link evaporates, then a third of the juice that could be passed to the 2 other links just evaporates.
This isn't about gaming Google, and SEO isn't about gaming Google. Sure it is competitive, but the primary aim is to help good companies rank for the terms that end users are using to search for their goods, services or information.
One of the more technical aspects is PageRank distbutribution - it is not just helping a single page rank higher, but ensuring that as many relevant quality pages of content are actually indexed and have a chance to rank.
Imagine if you had a sales page for a membership site that only had 3 links, one to legal papers, one a design credit link, and the third to a login page.
If the juice from the login link evaporates, then a third of the juice that could be passed to the 2 other links just evaporates.
This isn't about gaming Google, and SEO isn't about gaming Google. Sure it is competitive, but the primary aim is to help good companies rank for the terms that end users are using to search for their goods, services or information.
One of the more technical aspects is PageRank distbutribution - it is not just helping a single page rank higher, but ensuring that as many relevant quality pages of content are actually indexed and have a chance to rank.
Good thoughts on the subject and it is something I will monitor.
Good thoughts on the subject and it is something I will monitor.
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I was at that SMX session to moderate the Q&A and really, didn't take Matt's comments as being quite as significant as some of the livebloggers did - it was very CuttsSpeak, and could just as easily be "spun" differently.
"Maybe" Matt will actually say something clear about this at some point.
What Danny Sullivan and others wrote up was along the lines of:
PR(A) = (1-d) + d(PR(t1)/C(t1) + ... + PR(tn)/C(tn))
aka PageRank
being applied in such a way that C(t1...n) is based on the total number of links on t1...tn, but PR(t1...tn) is only part of the calculation for A when a link from (t1...tn) is followed.
Since that's not the same old calculation, we have a little work to do.
Leslie's writing the code, we're going to run all the "simulations" tonight to demonstrate what happens in that scenario, as well as illustrate how PageRank may appear to "evaporate" due to sculpting without modifying the algorithm at all, and I'll have a detailed post up by Monday.
I'm also, just for fun, writing up the paranoid conspiracy theory version of a new treatment of nofollow links, called the "BENDOVER algorithm."
You almost gained a "Source of Knowledge" link too, but I think Leslie and Michael probably deserve the limelight a little more, though you benefit from the STSE links too. Looking forward to the Monday post, and the "takeitlikeaman" algo.
I was at that SMX session to moderate the Q&A and really, didn't take Matt's comments as being quite as significant as some of the livebloggers did - it was very CuttsSpeak, and could just as easily be "spun" differently.
"Maybe" Matt will actually say something clear about this at some point.
What Danny Sullivan and others wrote up was along the lines of:
PR(A) = (1-d) + d(PR(t1)/C(t1) + ... + PR(tn)/C(tn))
aka PageRank
being applied in such a way that C(t1...n) is based on the total number of links on t1...tn, but PR(t1...tn) is only part of the calculation for A when a link from (t1...tn) is followed.
Since that's not the same old calculation, we have a little work to do.
Leslie's writing the code, we're going to run all the "simulations" tonight to demonstrate what happens in that scenario, as well as illustrate how PageRank may appear to "evaporate" due to sculpting without modifying the algorithm at all, and I'll have a detailed post up by Monday.
I'm also, just for fun, writing up the paranoid conspiracy theory version of a new treatment of nofollow links, called the "BENDOVER algorithm."
You almost gained a "Source of Knowledge" link too, but I think Leslie and Michael probably deserve the limelight a little more, though you benefit from the STSE links too. Looking forward to the Monday post, and the "takeitlikeaman" algo.
= Google may just be looking to discourage users from aggressively using nofollow because they see it as potentially gaming their system
= nofollow never really did what Matt Cutts said it did in the first place..
I personally never got aggressive with nofollowing links but do it occasionally. Bottom line is Matt Cutts' comments aren't going to change my approach whatsoever...
= Google may just be looking to discourage users from aggressively using nofollow because they see it as potentially gaming their system
= nofollow never really did what Matt Cutts said it did in the first place..
I personally never got aggressive with nofollowing links but do it occasionally. Bottom line is Matt Cutts' comments aren't going to change my approach whatsoever...
Strange but oh well
I just have one question
Wikipedia is no following all external links to other pages except theirs.Are they going to be devalued or smt liek that?
Personally at one of my sites i no follow almost 97% od links to other websites trying to "direct" the linkjuice within my own website?
Will this be dangerous for my website from now on?I am not afraid of a ban (i doubt it wil happen) i am more afraid of losing my rankings on several competitive terms that i have achieved so far...
Thank you in advance and i am looknig forwar to an answer pls
If you read the post I mentioned I have seen no effect on Wikipedia rankings, but you would need to have a thorough understanding of PageRank calculations to understand why, which is why I included references where you can really learn this stuff.
Strange but oh well
I just have one question
Wikipedia is no following all external links to other pages except theirs.Are they going to be devalued or smt liek that?
Personally at one of my sites i no follow almost 97% od links to other websites trying to "direct" the linkjuice within my own website?
Will this be dangerous for my website from now on?I am not afraid of a ban (i doubt it wil happen) i am more afraid of losing my rankings on several competitive terms that i have achieved so far...
Thank you in advance and i am looknig forwar to an answer pls
If you read the post I mentioned I have seen no effect on Wikipedia rankings, but you would need to have a thorough understanding of PageRank calculations to understand why, which is why I included references where you can really learn this stuff.
My question is: If it is true that PageRank Sculpting was or is now a myth, what is with Bots Herding?
For example:
If page A has a followed link to page B, and the page B has a meta robots tag with a “noindex” directive, or using the unofficially supported my Google "noindex" directive (on my own risk), and page B has a link back to page A.
What should I expect to happen in that case?
I don't noindex category and tag pages.
My question is: If it is true that PageRank Sculpting was or is now a myth, what is with Bots Herding?
For example:
If page A has a followed link to page B, and the page B has a meta robots tag with a “noindex” directive, or using the unofficially supported my Google "noindex" directive (on my own risk), and page B has a link back to page A.
What should I expect to happen in that case?
I don't noindex category and tag pages.
I was introduced to Revenge of the Mininet early last year by Chad Kimball
And now have 20 of my sites networked pushing every drop of link juice to the main site with the money page on. Is this still viable, or am I likely to lose rank and juice from the internal linking set-up.
I was introduced to Revenge of the Mininet early last year by Chad Kimball
And now have 20 of my sites networked pushing every drop of link juice to the main site with the money page on. Is this still viable, or am I likely to lose rank and juice from the internal linking set-up.
Can you please elaborate more on your last comment: Most of the linking structures can be achieved without using Dynamic linking, though it certainly requires a little more thought
Can you explain what you have in your mind?
Thank you!
Can you please elaborate more on your last comment: Most of the linking structures can be achieved without using Dynamic linking, though it certainly requires a little more thought
Can you explain what you have in your mind?
Thank you!
I have already a website but I still believe that there should be a continuous updates to experience continuous success. Thanks for being so good and sharing "gold mine" information like this.
I have already a website but I still believe that there should be a continuous updates to experience continuous success. Thanks for being so good and sharing "gold mine" information like this.
None of my sites have external links and I have not seen any changes to my PR or SERP's.
My PR has never dropped for my main pages only for internal pages and that's because of the link structure I use (Designed it myself). I will keep an eye on this for a while to see if anything changes.
No follow all external links make no sense at all there would be no votes for new sites and only the pages on your site could vote for the pages on your site. SERP's would never change and Bing would be the best search Engine on the web.
Well, Google has the smartest minds working in their labs so if they change the No-follow then I'm sure they will dream up something better. Just don't change my SERP's that's all I ask please.
Revenge of the Mininet is a great read by the way.
Toolbar PageRank has value, otherwise I wouldn't get so many people looking to spam links coming to my blog.
Then I delete their links, or their whole comment
None of my sites have external links and I have not seen any changes to my PR or SERP's.
My PR has never dropped for my main pages only for internal pages and that's because of the link structure I use (Designed it myself). I will keep an eye on this for a while to see if anything changes.
No follow all external links make no sense at all there would be no votes for new sites and only the pages on your site could vote for the pages on your site. SERP's would never change and Bing would be the best search Engine on the web.
Well, Google has the smartest minds working in their labs so if they change the No-follow then I'm sure they will dream up something better. Just don't change my SERP's that's all I ask please.
Revenge of the Mininet is a great read by the way.
Toolbar PageRank has value, otherwise I wouldn't get so many people looking to spam links coming to my blog.
Then I delete their links, or their whole comment
I do use nofollow to indicate page importance, so I hope they don't change it that much.
I do use nofollow to indicate page importance, so I hope they don't change it that much.
Let's consider internal links only for a moment. Say you have 10 links on a page -- 5 go to pages that you want good search results for, and 5 do not (such as login pages). The old thinking was that by no following the unimportant pages, you now passed MORE juice to the do follow internal links.
From Matt's comment, I'm assuming "evaporation" means that each link is created equal. Your no follow tells google where not to pass the juice. But it doesn't add this juice to the do follow links. It's like juice just spilling on the floor :)
I'm just hard pressed to think he used a word like evaporation by accident. So that means that either google HAS adjusted (or is adjusting) their algorithm to reflect this decision. Or he lied (or more nicely put, he misled on purpose).
Lots of decisions about how links are used depend on the order things are done.
As an example, we know there are problems with nofollowed links and first link priority, and that is a clue for PageRank as well.
If anchor text can count on a nofollowed link, that means that the nofollowed links are not totally removed from later calculations
We also know they appear in Google's webmaster tools
What we don't know, just like with links blocked with Robots.txt and creating hanging/dnagling pages, is whether all of the juice is lost, or just part of it, dpending of circumstances.
We don't even know whether links on different parts of a page influence PageRank in different ways. A login is sitewide, navigation link, not unique or even interesting anchor text, internal, maybe to SSL page etc etc. These are all factors that might reduce PR being passed even if the link isn't nofollowed.
Let's consider internal links only for a moment. Say you have 10 links on a page -- 5 go to pages that you want good search results for, and 5 do not (such as login pages). The old thinking was that by no following the unimportant pages, you now passed MORE juice to the do follow internal links.
From Matt's comment, I'm assuming "evaporation" means that each link is created equal. Your no follow tells google where not to pass the juice. But it doesn't add this juice to the do follow links. It's like juice just spilling on the floor :)
I'm just hard pressed to think he used a word like evaporation by accident. So that means that either google HAS adjusted (or is adjusting) their algorithm to reflect this decision. Or he lied (or more nicely put, he misled on purpose).
Lots of decisions about how links are used depend on the order things are done.
As an example, we know there are problems with nofollowed links and first link priority, and that is a clue for PageRank as well.
If anchor text can count on a nofollowed link, that means that the nofollowed links are not totally removed from later calculations
We also know they appear in Google's webmaster tools
What we don't know, just like with links blocked with Robots.txt and creating hanging/dnagling pages, is whether all of the juice is lost, or just part of it, dpending of circumstances.
We don't even know whether links on different parts of a page influence PageRank in different ways. A login is sitewide, navigation link, not unique or even interesting anchor text, internal, maybe to SSL page etc etc. These are all factors that might reduce PR being passed even if the link isn't nofollowed.
Forums
Blog Comments
Guest Blog Posts
Directories (quality)
Articles
Internal Links
EDU/Gov links
Reciprocal links (only when necessary to obtain a great link)
Links from other sites home pages
That seems to work great for me, but I am sure a lot of tactics work great.
Forums
Blog Comments
Guest Blog Posts
Directories (quality)
Articles
Internal Links
EDU/Gov links
Reciprocal links (only when necessary to obtain a great link)
Links from other sites home pages
That seems to work great for me, but I am sure a lot of tactics work great.
You have major indexing problems on your site, and just adding more links isn't going to help it.
It is not something that necessarily needs nofollow - nofollow is just a tool we used to be able to use, and possibly still can, but just because you don't use nofollow doesn't mean you are not attempting to control the flow of PageRank
You have major indexing problems on your site, and just adding more links isn't going to help it.
It is not something that necessarily needs nofollow - nofollow is just a tool we used to be able to use, and possibly still can, but just because you don't use nofollow doesn't mean you are not attempting to control the flow of PageRank
I have also noticed this being a hot topic on a lot of the seo blogs that are around but none have gone as deep as you have and made things a clear... thank you!
Regards,
Karl
I have also noticed this being a hot topic on a lot of the seo blogs that are around but none have gone as deep as you have and made things a clear... thank you!
Regards,
Karl
Why would that matter when people are doing XML sitemaps where you can define the value of the page there?
Why would that matter when people are doing XML sitemaps where you can define the value of the page there?
I feel dofollow blogs are warranted in some cases, and can be abused in others. Until the search algorithms are open source and not black-box, there has to be tools for innovative start-ups to help get the word out.
I feel dofollow blogs are warranted in some cases, and can be abused in others. Until the search algorithms are open source and not black-box, there has to be tools for innovative start-ups to help get the word out.
Also, if nofollow links start to reduce PR then will we find that true content sites start to slip and spammers start to climb as they begin to steer clear of nofollow environments and leave the real content creators to continue posting as they always have.
I just find it had to believe that so much research at Google leads us to this point where the spammer will inevitably find a way through anyway.
Also, if nofollow links start to reduce PR then will we find that true content sites start to slip and spammers start to climb as they begin to steer clear of nofollow environments and leave the real content creators to continue posting as they always have.
I just find it had to believe that so much research at Google leads us to this point where the spammer will inevitably find a way through anyway.
You cannot sculpt PageRank if you cannot measure it, and you cannot measure PageRank, so all the rallying cries for PageRank sculpting remain a waste of time and effort.
You cannot sculpt PageRank if you cannot measure it, and you cannot measure PageRank, so all the rallying cries for PageRank sculpting remain a waste of time and effort.
1. I often give a lot of comment in the blog, whether automatically increase page rank?
2. Do I have to choose a blog comment? such as a blog with PR1 and over, thank you hopefully be able to give an explanation for me as a beginner
Best regard,
A.herosandian
If you have a lot of comments on your blog, based on clarification today by Matt Cutts, it could have a negative effect.
Switch to using Disqus for comments
1. I often give a lot of comment in the blog, whether automatically increase page rank?
2. Do I have to choose a blog comment? such as a blog with PR1 and over, thank you hopefully be able to give an explanation for me as a beginner
Best regard,
A.herosandian
If you have a lot of comments on your blog, based on clarification today by Matt Cutts, it could have a negative effect.
Switch to using Disqus for comments
Wikipedia is dominating the serps for many competitive terms....
What is more from the discussion at Cutts' blog i want to keep his statement that PageRank isn’t spread equally among links and hasn’t been for years and years
So the big question is what technique do you think would be the most appropiate to apply on blogs?
what should be no followed?
We have known for a long time that links are not treated equally.
I have also written today that 95% of bloggers should use Disqus as they don't know what they are doing with PageRank sculpting, and would find it difficult implementing an alternative solution.
Wikipedia is dominating the serps for many competitive terms....
What is more from the discussion at Cutts' blog i want to keep his statement that PageRank isn’t spread equally among links and hasn’t been for years and years
So the big question is what technique do you think would be the most appropiate to apply on blogs?
what should be no followed?
Thanks!!
Its really a serious matter of research.
Accessibility of other devices is another matter.
If you have a site with 100,000+ pages of unique content, how you structure your site to get it indexed is important, and sometimes there are benefits in forcing Google to ignore certain links.