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Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Ruehl — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:45:21 -0000

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

work at home ideas — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:43:25 -0000

I think to avoid this problem, try to have just a few categories which represent your key business goals or programs/service you promote. Then install WP plug-in for related posts. In this way all old posts url will be included in new posts.

Peter Lee

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work at home ideas — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:43:25 -0000

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CrankyDave — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:31:36 -0000

LOL Andy! I won't argue that there are indeed many SEO's that believe a power source isn't neccessary for baking. For some reason, I tend to avoid those restaurants. :)

In my eyes, any known, unkown, or speculated ranking factor serves to do one thing... influence relevance.

While Googlebot can indeed shuffle many cards at once, it cannot shuffle them all at once. Only the cards "it" deems most relevant as determined by all the factors that influence relevance.

What factors have the most influence on relevance will continue to be the subject of endless debates and testing.

Dave

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

CrankyDave — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:31:36 -0000

LOL Andy! I won't argue that there are indeed many SEO's that believe a power source isn't neccessary for baking. For some reason, I tend to avoid those restaurants. :)

In my eyes, any known, unkown, or speculated ranking factor serves to do one thing... influence relevance.

While Googlebot can indeed shuffle many cards at once, it cannot shuffle them all at once. Only the cards "it" deems most relevant as determined by all the factors that influence relevance.

What factors have the most influence on relevance will continue to be the subject of endless debates and testing.

Dave

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

AndyBeard — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:25:08 -0000

True, but there are many other analogies

To win a gold Olympic medal, you have to make it to the finals.

There are SEOs who seem to suggest that to bake a cake you don't need any power source.

How many decks of cards can you shuffle at once? Googebot might have very big hands, but there are limitations to how efficiently data can be sorted.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

AndyBeard — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:25:08 -0000

True, but there are many other analogies

To win a gold Olympic medal, you have to make it to the finals.

There are SEOs who seem to suggest that to bake a cake you don't need any power source.

How many decks of cards can you shuffle at once? Googebot might have very big hands, but there are limitations to how efficiently data can be sorted.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

CrankyDave — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:06:51 -0000

Interesting Andy. PageRank is a number. PageRank, unto itself, is not relevance specific. That is to say, a page does not have more PageRank for "something" than it does for "something else". Therefore, PageRank cannot be the primary ranking factor. Relevance is.

While I understand that in order to be ranked, you need to be indexed. Not in the index, can't be ranked.

For me it's kind of like saying (uh-oh... cooking analogy) the the primary factor in baking a cake is electricity or natural gas because without it, the oven won't work. :)

Dave

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

CrankyDave — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:06:51 -0000

While I understand that in order to be ranked, you need to be indexed. Not in the index, can't be ranked.

For me it's kind of like saying (uh-oh... cooking analogy) the the primary factor in baking a cake is electricity or natural gas because without it, the oven won't work. :)

Dave

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Jim McNelis — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:54:00 -0000

@ SEO RI

yes but their page would never show in the 3rd position if it wasn't for that pages PageRank combined with the IBL anchor text.

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Jim McNelis — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:54:00 -0000

@ SEO RI

yes but their page would never show in the 3rd position if it wasn't for that pages PageRank combined with the IBL anchor text.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Greg Reynolds — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:52:42 -0000

Andy,

Put up a related post about Google indexing problems on my Wordpress blog.

Lots of examples of Google screwing up:

1 - De-indexing older posts (170 of them that each had Google top 10 rankings)

2 - Not indexing posts (60 of them out of 485)

3 - Indexing new posts in completely stupid fashion (4 in a row to the index page with absurd descriptions that make no sense)

4 - Taking so long to index posts that mine end up in Google's omitted results because somebody's already copied them.

Google's indexing has gotten so pathetic that you just have to laugh about it.

http://hitsusa.com/blog/507/top-10-ways-google-is-like-pamela-anderson/

And the really funny thing is that the whole blog was done as a test of how to get top Google rankings without any page rank whatsoever...lol!

Using just Wordpress and plain vanilla, white hat, organic SEO took a site that had zero page rank (and an Alexa ranking in the 6,000,000 range) from 40 visitors a day to 50,000 visitors a day in just five months time.

Of course, then Google had their indexing meltdown and can't seem to get anything right anymore.

Maybe I should have called the post "Top 10 Ways Google Is Like Britney Spears" instead...

Greg

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Greg Reynolds — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:52:42 -0000

Andy,

Put up a related post about Google indexing problems on my Wordpress blog.

Lots of examples of Google screwing up:

1 - De-indexing older posts (170 of them that each had Google top 10 rankings)

2 - Not indexing posts (60 of them out of 485)

3 - Indexing new posts in completely stupid fashion (4 in a row to the index page with absurd descriptions that make no sense)

4 - Taking so long to index posts that mine end up in Google's omitted results because somebody's already copied them.

Google's indexing has gotten so pathetic that you just have to laugh about it.

http://hitsusa.com/blog/507/top-10-ways-google-is-like-pamela-anderson/

And the really funny thing is that the whole blog was done as a test of how to get top Google rankings without any page rank whatsoever...lol!

Of course, then Google had their indexing meltdown and can't seem to get anything right anymore.

Maybe I should have called the post "Top 10 Ways Google Is Like Britney Spears" instead...

Greg

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

SEO RI — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:38:51 -0000

Don't ever underestimate inbound links. Apple ranks #3 for "computer" on Google yet there is no "computer" on the index page.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

SEO RI — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:38:51 -0000

Don't ever underestimate inbound links. Apple ranks #3 for "computer" on Google yet there is no "computer" on the index page.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Jim McNelis — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:28:41 -0000

i think it is silly when people say pagerank doesn't matter. even the toobar pagerank, while novel, still provides information to a site visitor, at a glance, about a pages 'credibility?' (not sure if that is the right word).

for example: if i goto a business site that doesn't have any pagerank (na/10), i will be very wary to purchase something from that site. for that alone, even the toolbar pagerank matters, to me.

real pagerank matters too, alot for the reasons you mentioned above.

pagerank is google's greatness. it's a big part of the equation as to what page shows up 1st in the SERPS too (directly or indirectly)...of course it matters.

good article.

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Jim McNelis — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:28:41 -0000

for example: if i goto a business site that doesn't have any pagerank (na/10), i will be very wary to purchase something from that site. for that alone, even the toolbar pagerank matters, to me.

real pagerank matters too, alot for the reasons you mentioned above.

pagerank is google's greatness. it's a big part of the equation as to what page shows up 1st in the SERPS too (directly or indirectly)...of course it matters.

good article.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

AndyBeard — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:43:55 -0000

Simon I have a follow-up post coming, but due to the demands of having to provide almost encyclopedic evidence for anything regarding SEO, unless I want to be called a sham, it is going to take a while.

You will however find in most cases that the posts which can't be found on a URL search are the ones buried down very deeply in your site architecture.

If you prefer splogs and scrapers ranking better for your own content, it might not be a problem.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

AndyBeard — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:43:55 -0000

You will however find in most cases that the posts which can't be found on a URL search are the ones buried down very deeply in your site architecture.

If you prefer splogs and scrapers ranking better for your own content, it might not be a problem.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Matt — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:37:58 -0000

Interesting. At first when I read the title I was like what what what... Then I realized that you meant what I had been thinking for a while - but you just used the word pagerank. Thanks for this great post - it cleared up a lot of things.

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Matt — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:37:58 -0000

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Halfdeck — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:12:00 -0000

"It's because, by definition, that page is not part of the "web"."

Hugo, you're getting warmer.

Search engine guide, search engine watch, and cre8asiteforums are all part of the web but their paid links are not passing PageRank, and some of their straight links are even passing less PageRank according to Matt Cutts who noted that there's less PageRank circulating now in the SEO space.

In other words, even if a page is part of the web, a link can pass less PageRank than it "should" or not at all.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Halfdeck — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:12:00 -0000

"It's because, by definition, that page is not part of the "web"."

Hugo, you're getting warmer.

In other words, even if a page is part of the web, a link can pass less PageRank than it "should" or not at all.

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Miguel Salcido — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:55:04 -0000

Will someone please tell me how and if they are calculating the "actual PR!!??" I understand the the TBPR is faked by Google. Well, how in the heck can anyone calculate REAL pagerank?

It should be possible to nail down but would require lots of testing and analysis. Has anyone done this yet or attempted to do this?

Re: PageRank Is The Primary Google Search Ranking Factor

Miguel Salcido — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:55:04 -0000

Will someone please tell me how and if they are calculating the "actual PR!!??" I understand the the TBPR is faked by Google. Well, how in the heck can anyone calculate REAL pagerank?

It should be possible to nail down but would require lots of testing and analysis. Has anyone done this yet or attempted to do this?