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Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

SEO Words — Fri, 02 May 2008 03:07:02 -0000

Right, titles should be short and sweet. Just like Keep It Simple and Stupid. Also, making sure your biggest keywords are in the title is often overlooked and important for speed readers.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

SEO Words — Fri, 02 May 2008 03:07:02 -0000

Right, titles should be short and sweet. Just like Keep It Simple and Stupid. Also, making sure your biggest keywords are in the title is often overlooked and important for speed readers.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Trond — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:32:38 -0000

Hi Andy!
I am a happy reader of your blog and just wanted to say hello!
I run a Norwegian SEO company and have been optimizing websites since 1998 - almost 10 years. In Norway we call SEO for sÃ¸kemotoroptimalisering. I also develop websites and really love your site :-)
You have been bookmarked :-)

Keep up the great work!

Rgds,
Trond

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Trond — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:32:38 -0000

Keep up the great work!

Rgds,
Trond

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Tech Blog — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:26:09 -0000

I try and figure out what would be the best title for my post (depending on the subject) first of all and then I don't need to bother about changing further down the line.

However, I do sometimes find that it's worth changing if you find that it ranks better for a phrase you never considered initially.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Tech Blog — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:26:09 -0000

I try and figure out what would be the best title for my post (depending on the subject) first of all and then I don't need to bother about changing further down the line.

However, I do sometimes find that it's worth changing if you find that it ranks better for a phrase you never considered initially.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Simona Rusnakova — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:45:03 -0000

For me, title has proved to be of a great importance for SEO so I definitely support the idea of making most of it on your blogs as well!

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Simona Rusnakova — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:45:03 -0000

For me, title has proved to be of a great importance for SEO so I definitely support the idea of making most of it on your blogs as well!

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Deb George — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:37:49 -0000

This whole seo thing is so darn intricate and time consuming.

Andy, do you think it's just more efficent to outsource the entire seo process? How on earth can one write articles everyday and learn the seo details without becoming overwhelmed?

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Deb George — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:37:49 -0000

This whole seo thing is so darn intricate and time consuming.

Andy, do you think it's just more efficent to outsource the entire seo process? How on earth can one write articles everyday and learn the seo details without becoming overwhelmed?

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

SEO Consultant — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:16:49 -0000

Usually when I'm about to write a lengthy post I try and do a little keyword research on the general topic so I can spin the title to get the most search attention.

A lot of times my title ends up suffering because it's not juicy enough. Editing the slug like Andy suggests will definitely help me in the future.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

SEO Consultant — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:16:49 -0000

Usually when I'm about to write a lengthy post I try and do a little keyword research on the general topic so I can spin the title to get the most search attention.

A lot of times my title ends up suffering because it's not juicy enough. Editing the slug like Andy suggests will definitely help me in the future.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Tom Lindstrom — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:06:20 -0000

I do a google search to see if someone has already used the exact same post-title I was about to use.If so, I change it a bit to make it unique for a while :) I also try to use the same words as in the post-title in the first sentence line of my blog post.

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Tom Lindstrom — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:06:20 -0000

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Jacques23 — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:37:21 -0000

Keywords get easier the more and more you do them. It gets really irritating at first to have to use the same two or three words again and again, but it ends up becoming a great ability to have.

Also, I know some blogs don't allow this, but making sure the (or any other tag) is right for normal sites is a big key, too.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Jacques23 — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:37:21 -0000

Keywords get easier the more and more you do them. It gets really irritating at first to have to use the same two or three words again and again, but it ends up becoming a great ability to have.

Also, I know some blogs don't allow this, but making sure the (or any other tag) is right for normal sites is a big key, too.

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

giftcardblogger — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:00:21 -0000

Knowing the keywords that bring people to your site is important. I did not pay attention to this initially until I started to dig deep into why my site was not attracting traffic and I finally realized that the keywords i thought were important were not. That was a wake up call.

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giftcardblogger — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:00:21 -0000

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

AndyBeard — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:02:31 -0000

Lets give you guys a real life example

My Digg Favorites Slapped By Google was at the centre of the PargeRank Updates last October, gaining ~400 unique links (as counted by Technorati and Google Blogsearch, not by Yahoo Site Explorer)

The story headline and title were originally "Digg Favorites Slapped By Google"
The slug was pagerank update, thus the URL has always been http://andybeard.eu/2007/10...

A couple of days after it was published I changed the Title tag to

"Source: Google PageRank Update October 2007 | Andy Beard - Niche Marketing"

If you do a search for PageRank Update, that page despite 400 links doesn't show up, my page from the 3rd round does, which had a lot less links, but gained the anchor text.
http://www.google.com/searc...

A very long tail query lists it as 5th place
http://www.google.com/searc...

Note those are both US based searches with personalization switched off

This is something I have tested. The anchor text used in the links for the blog post title are more important for SEO than a later change in the Title tags.

I should have used something like:-

Google PageRank Update Slaps Digg Favorites

That would have given me a similar effect with more useful links. Then again the post was slapped together in 20 minutes, so some things were not ideal, and I can use the juice in other ways.

Remember you can always optimize linking at a later date
http://andybeard.eu/2007/11...

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

AndyBeard — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:02:31 -0000

Lets give you guys a real life example

My Digg Favorites Slapped By Google was at the centre of the PargeRank Updates last October, gaining ~400 unique links (as counted by Technorati and Google Blogsearch, not by Yahoo Site Explorer)

The story headline and title were originally "Digg Favorites Slapped By Google"
The slug was pagerank update, thus the URL has always been http://andybeard.eu/2007/10...

A couple of days after it was published I changed the Title tag to

"Source: Google PageRank Update October 2007 | Andy Beard - Niche Marketing"

A very long tail query lists it as 5th place
http://www.google.com/searc...

Note those are both US based searches with personalization switched off

This is something I have tested. The anchor text used in the links for the blog post title are more important for SEO than a later change in the Title tags.

I should have used something like:-

Google PageRank Update Slaps Digg Favorites

That would have given me a similar effect with more useful links. Then again the post was slapped together in 20 minutes, so some things were not ideal, and I can use the juice in other ways.

Remember you can always optimize linking at a later date
http://andybeard.eu/2007/11...

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Lord Matt — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:50:40 -0000

I am skeptical that it matters enough to worry about. Remembering that "content is king" the headline must achieve the five aims of a headline which are roughly: (1) Attract Attention (2) Invite a click (3) Inform the read as to the subject (4) summarise the story (5) contain keywords.

The keywords are everything other than the grammatical "glue" which give the title or headline meaning - that is the verbs, nouns and adjectives (describing words). It is the verbs and nouns that people search for while the adjectives (and pronouns) give zing and flavour and a touch of long tail staying power. If the headline is a good one then by definition it is about what the article is about and if so then surely it is the best set of "key" words for the article?

After all Google, MSN and Yahoo are in their own ways trying to create a short cut or cheat sheet for summarising human communications. What they are after is the subject of the page and that is hidden in the Verbs and Nouns (the what and the who). So one way to improve titles is to use less "pump" ("amazing", "astounding", "all new", "you wouldn't believe") to leave more room for the subject.

I'm probably teaching grandma to suck eggs but I'm not sure why a well crafted title would need to change...

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Lord Matt — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:50:40 -0000

I'm probably teaching grandma to suck eggs but I'm not sure why a well crafted title would need to change...

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Dennis Edell — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:52:26 -0000

Awesome article (and comments). It'll take me a bit to fully sink in, but I learned a lot for my own blogging. :)

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

Dennis Edell — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:52:26 -0000

Awesome article (and comments). It'll take me a bit to fully sink in, but I learned a lot for my own blogging. :)

Re: Optimizing Post Titles After You Have Posted

James Shaffer — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:36:56 -0000

Goood points... also, you can check out your traffic stats and see what visitors are searching for in order to get to your site. Then use these phrases to furthermore tweak your titles. Get them what they want!