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Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Ingo — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:54:59 -0000

Great reading, this introduced me to the whole XFN-Thing and the implications. Didn't know yet that there's such a huge impact from the nofollow... I just switched my blog to do-follow because of that.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Ingo — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:54:59 -0000

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

T. Martin — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:02:29 -0000

The most important thing is that blogs like yours encourage participation because you don't use nofollow. Google's nofollow element will just make them irrelevant if no one uses the tag!

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

T. Martin — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:02:29 -0000

The most important thing is that blogs like yours encourage participation because you don't use nofollow. Google's nofollow element will just make them irrelevant if no one uses the tag!

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Miguel Salcido — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:50:05 -0000

Great post Andy! This is probably THE most intelligent and personally relevant post regarding the Google Social Graph API that has come out thus far. The idea that the nofollow tag is the ultimate impediment to the Google Social Graph API was masterful!

Thanks again for the insights!

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Miguel Salcido — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:50:05 -0000

Thanks again for the insights!

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Beautiful minds — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:39:17 -0000

Andy,
Heard that the new w3c standard will have "nofollow" as a standard element.? Is it so? or is it already in practice?

(Is everyone gonna be an idiot?)

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Beautiful minds — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:39:17 -0000

Andy,
Heard that the new w3c standard will have "nofollow" as a standard element.? Is it so? or is it already in practice?

(Is everyone gonna be an idiot?)

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

christophe — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:59:56 -0000

Yes, true. But also this assume that Google is following the links properly to build the network.
If you are using coComment browser extension, we can track all blogs you are commenting on or just reading and then include those blogs in your social network. This is an information that Google might have some troubles to build ;-)
What I mean by API, could also be a line of JS code that insert all the links in your blog page (or at least the most recent ones).

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

christophe — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:59:56 -0000

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

AndyBeard — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:40:23 -0000

Andy it is very interesting that it is working for you, maybe there is a hole in my testing that I overlooked.

I hadn't linked to my profile on Technorati recently, and due to nofollow even though my blog is quite prominent on Technorati as a top100 favorited blog, it wouldn't be indexed naturally.

Since this article was written, and I linked to my profile within the article without nofollow, Google has now cached my profile page, and the results are a lot more noisy

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

AndyBeard — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:40:23 -0000

Andy it is very interesting that it is working for you, maybe there is a hole in my testing that I overlooked.

I hadn't linked to my profile on Technorati recently, and due to nofollow even though my blog is quite prominent on Technorati as a top100 favorited blog, it wouldn't be indexed naturally.

Since this article was written, and I linked to my profile within the article without nofollow, Google has now cached my profile page, and the results are a lot more noisy

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

AndyBeard — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:32:24 -0000

Honestly I think the biggest help for Google would be for all the social sites to remove nofollow from profile links, and the same to happen with blog comments on blogs that have active moderation.

I haven't been using cocomment for a while due to browser problems and a few complaints regarding compatibility, I do need to take another look.

APIs for this stuff is useful, but only if people create tools that make a real difference.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

AndyBeard — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:32:24 -0000

Honestly I think the biggest help for Google would be for all the social sites to remove nofollow from profile links, and the same to happen with blog comments on blogs that have active moderation.

I haven't been using cocomment for a while due to browser problems and a few complaints regarding compatibility, I do need to take another look.

APIs for this stuff is useful, but only if people create tools that make a real difference.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

christophe — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:18:46 -0000

Hi Andy,

Great posts and interesting comments !
Just one idea I would like to submit to you.
What do you think if you have a coComment API that returns to you a list of "social" links that you can insert in your page ?
The links can contain your claimed blogs in cocomment, blogs where you are commenting or tracking conversations, blogs of your favorites, friends and neighbors in coComment....
Then, if Google do its job correctly, it should build a more complete social graph of your activity from those links.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

christophe — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:18:46 -0000

Hi Andy,

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

George — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:10:46 -0000

That is so funny! Google should have realized how a bad an idea it was for them to try to get webmasters to fix a fundamental flaw in their algorithm.

They should really do away with the nofollow tag, it is SO being misused these days that it's not even funny. Oh well...

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

George — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:10:46 -0000

That is so funny! Google should have realized how a bad an idea it was for them to try to get webmasters to fix a fundamental flaw in their algorithm.

They should really do away with the nofollow tag, it is SO being misused these days that it's not even funny. Oh well...

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Andy Piper — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:59:07 -0000

I actually find that sticking my Technorati profile in there makes a complete mess of the results for how my sites are connected, since I write for some group blogs so I end up seeing data for other people who share those blogs. It actually works OK for my own connectedness - in fact, as you say, it is quite effective based off of the Technorati profile, but that's likely because I have things like Twitter in there as well. So I guess the net is that it's an interesting experiment, but not very useful. I also can't easily instrument links as being "me" on WP.com, unless I go and hack at my pages I suppose. Oh well.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Andy Piper — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:59:07 -0000

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Steven King — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:56:56 -0000

I think "nofollow" really sucks and soon Google will come up with another tool similar to the "nofollow" to further prove its status.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Steven King — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:56:56 -0000

I think "nofollow" really sucks and soon Google will come up with another tool similar to the "nofollow" to further prove its status.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Vlad — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:19:19 -0000

Thanks Andy. I think it explains it. I never included rel="me" into the equation. I guess I have some work to do as well with my theme. Why do you write a rel="me" plugin? If you have time that is.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

Vlad — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:19:19 -0000

Thanks Andy. I think it explains it. I never included rel="me" into the equation. I guess I have some work to do as well with my theme. Why do you write a rel="me" plugin? If you have time that is.

Re: Nofollow Killed Google Social Graph API 3 Years Ago

AndyBeard — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:05:24 -0000

Michael you are the anti-nofollow advocate who still uses nofollow on comments even though he requires people leaving comments to register.

Then in the comments of your recent post about Rand Fiskin's nofollow results you state this

There are some legitimate reasons to use rel=nofollow within internal content in a Web that has been mutilated by link spam. All personal profile pages should probably be nofollowed just to discourage people from signing up for profiles (not that a relatively orphaned profile page on the average social media or forum site will pass value anyway, but the perception of possible value stimulates the bogus link economy).

If you are active on social media sites, those pages can build up a considerable amount of link equity and provide a valuable hub, and with this new initiative from Google could prove to be valuable.

I would love to know how you determine your site is better indexed than most other SEO blogs, considering before Christmas Google decided to totally break /* reporting which was previously just inaccurate.

Sure you could do extensive analysis on crawl frequency of every page on my site, but that might become a little excessive, and also is affected by temporal changes.

It can certainly be improved but even what I would look on as fairly unimportant pages such as infrequently used tag pages still seem to be indexed fairly frequently.