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I did install the plugin, porbably not putting much thought into it. My origianal intention was to say thank you to my my commentors by putting their links up on the hope page wich has the highiest rank. But reading your article makes me rethink if they will trully beefit from it. Some how I thought that "dofollow" in comments was not enough, since most of those posts have no rank at all. Great article!
I did install the plugin, porbably not putting much thought into it. My origianal intention was to say thank you to my my commentors by putting their links up on the hope page wich has the highiest rank. But reading your article makes me rethink if they will trully beefit from it. Some how I thought that "dofollow" in comments was not enough, since most of those posts have no rank at all. Great article!
Loathe is a strong word mind. ;)
Loathe is a strong word mind. ;)
Look at SEOmoz, they have top commenters over there who write good copy if you know what I mean. ;)
Look at SEOmoz, they have top commenters over there who write good copy if you know what I mean. ;)
I do think that I will edit my single template to display my blogroll only on the home page.
I do think that I will edit my single template to display my blogroll only on the home page.
@John - Voting on comment is because of Digg - to be honest I don't like the way Digg handles comment because it disrupts the flow - maybe I need to change settings.
@Cvos - It could be used in that way, but then again if all those sites have only 30 links, the total is only 3000 for the central site and the content on each topic will be buried as happens on almost every SEO blog I have seen.
@RT Cunningham - I totally agree with your sentiment, and some SEOs who do it professionally (I don't) don't care about it on their blogs either, and I respect that attitude.
My gran as far as I can remember never gave us sweets as kids, other than maybe chocolate eggs at Easter. Birthday and Christmas presents from the age of 5 were always money that was always put in a savings account.
At the age of 17 I went out 6 weeks before taking my driving test and bought a fairly new car and paid my insurance for cash, all from that same savings account.
At the end of the day your site receives a certain amount of juice to share out, and the only way it flows out from your site is external links.
Some will flow out to external links in your content, lots will be wasted on links that don't really do anything for visitors such as submission buttons, and the remainder will possibly go to commenters in one way or another.
One of the things I have discussed in the past and it is pure speculation is whether Google attributes weight to various links and then shares it out pro-rata, or whether their might be some loss of juice when a link in the sidebar gets discounted.
You could look on the latter situation as a Link Juice Tax for being in the sidebar.
@Vlad - no fingers pointed, I just write about what I observe - in many ways the blame partially rests on the way theme developers integrate Widgets. as it is capable of supporting multiple sidebars.
@Rob - I have covered some of this before on this blog, and we have certainly had out discussions. Just bringing those thoughts to my own neighbourhood.
@Aaron - In my opinion SEOmoz discuss fairly established best practice SEO with a lot of authority - I don't have customers, I play around with things, experiment and speculate, and then just report the results or just my thoughts.
For me relevance and LSI are highly important, even if enhancing relevance creates more duplicate content (tag pages, archives etc) - A good recent example is >Toolbar Pagerank - I can't explain why my site, or that of Alice Seba rank higher for Toolbar Pagerank than Matt Cutts.
Possibly the search results you see are the top results based on using multiple algorithm threads, so sites that score well in a totally different way have a chance to rise to the top.
@John - some time ago I did a small site review off-the-cuff "How a Blogroll Can Kill Your Pagerank" that was in a very similar vein.
@Immortal - I encourage people to look on duplicate content in different ways - some aspects are bad for your original content to rank well, other times it can be used to your advantage either through strategic syndication, or providing features for readers that also enhance relevance for search engines to use.
@John - Voting on comment is because of Digg - to be honest I don't like the way Digg handles comment because it disrupts the flow - maybe I need to change settings.
@Cvos - It could be used in that way, but then again if all those sites have only 30 links, the total is only 3000 for the central site and the content on each topic will be buried as happens on almost every SEO blog I have seen.
@RT Cunningham - I totally agree with your sentiment, and some SEOs who do it professionally (I don't) don't care about it on their blogs either, and I respect that attitude.
My gran as far as I can remember never gave us sweets as kids, other than maybe chocolate eggs at Easter. Birthday and Christmas presents from the age of 5 were always money that was always put in a savings account.
At the age of 17 I went out 6 weeks before taking my driving test and bought a fairly new car and paid my insurance for cash, all from that same savings account.
At the end of the day your site receives a certain amount of juice to share out, and the only way it flows out from your site is external links.
Some will flow out to external links in your content, lots will be wasted on links that don't really do anything for visitors such as submission buttons, and the remainder will possibly go to commenters in one way or another.
One of the things I have discussed in the past and it is pure speculation is whether Google attributes weight to various links and then shares it out pro-rata, or whether their might be some loss of juice when a link in the sidebar gets discounted.
You could look on the latter situation as a Link Juice Tax for being in the sidebar.
@Vlad - no fingers pointed, I just write about what I observe - in many ways the blame partially rests on the way theme developers integrate Widgets. as it is capable of supporting multiple sidebars.
@Rob - I have covered some of this before on this blog, and we have certainly had out discussions. Just bringing those thoughts to my own neighbourhood.
@Aaron - In my opinion SEOmoz discuss fairly established best practice SEO with a lot of authority - I don't have customers, I play around with things, experiment and speculate, and then just report the results or just my thoughts.
For me relevance and LSI are highly important, even if enhancing relevance creates more duplicate content (tag pages, archives etc) - A good recent example is >Toolbar Pagerank - I can't explain why my site, or that of Alice Seba rank higher for Toolbar Pagerank than Matt Cutts.
Possibly the search results you see are the top results based on using multiple algorithm threads, so sites that score well in a totally different way have a chance to rise to the top.
@John - some time ago I did a small site review off-the-cuff "How a Blogroll Can Kill Your Pagerank" that was in a very similar vein.
@Immortal - I encourage people to look on duplicate content in different ways - some aspects are bad for your original content to rank well, other times it can be used to your advantage either through strategic syndication, or providing features for readers that also enhance relevance for search engines to use.
I completely agree with your opinion that the top commenters plugin is useful both for the hoster and the commenters.
Anyway at the moment it doesn't seem to be very diffused through wp blogs (or maybe I just found a few).
I completely agree with your opinion that the top commenters plugin is useful both for the hoster and the commenters.
Anyway at the moment it doesn't seem to be very diffused through wp blogs (or maybe I just found a few).
Maybe there is some confusion
Loathe is almost the opposite to love
Maybe there is some confusion
Loathe is almost the opposite to love
The link you get from commenting here in many ways is more valuable than sitewide blogroll links on a blog that has 100 people on their blogroll on every page.
Top Commenters just adds to that mess on many blogs.
The link you get from commenting here in many ways is more valuable than sitewide blogroll links on a blog that has 100 people on their blogroll on every page.
Top Commenters just adds to that mess on many blogs.
I currently use the Top Commentators plugin and I must confess in the past I've been a little ignorant with how site-wide links and duplicate content can harm my site (and learnt from bitter experience!)
I'm planning a reshape of my side columns and I think I'll do away with the top commentators plugin in favour of dofollow very soon.
Thanks for the advice :)
If you use Dofollow you should also be careful to have lots of internal links to spread the juice out to your pages that might not get as many links.
Things like related posts help, and on this blog the tag cloud at the bottom of the page grows with each comment or trackback.
I currently use the Top Commentators plugin and I must confess in the past I've been a little ignorant with how site-wide links and duplicate content can harm my site (and learnt from bitter experience!)
I'm planning a reshape of my side columns and I think I'll do away with the top commentators plugin in favour of dofollow very soon.
Thanks for the advice :)
If you use Dofollow you should also be careful to have lots of internal links to spread the juice out to your pages that might not get as many links.
Things like related posts help, and on this blog the tag cloud at the bottom of the page grows with each comment or trackback.
Speaking of which, I found your blog while researching for my latest challenge the DoFollow Pingback Challenge. Hope you pop over and take a look, either way glad I found your blog.
Oh and love that Don't be An Idiot icon and page. I am definitely adding that to my blog.
Speaking of which, I found your blog while researching for my latest challenge the DoFollow Pingback Challenge. Hope you pop over and take a look, either way glad I found your blog.
Oh and love that Don't be An Idiot icon and page. I am definitely adding that to my blog.
I just did a search for the top commentator widget and tried one site, but kept in mind that I saw your comment in the search results about why you loathe this widget. I am so happy I came back to read your post.
I have the do follow widget and I was going to add the other because my blog is new(since Dec). I thought it might help, but now after reading your post I agree with you. I'm not that great with SEO, but that makes total sense. Like I said I'm new to blogging and I really appreciate the knowledge you have.
I don't know how to make it so my blogroll is only on the index page. Would it hurt to make it a page of it's own, like a resource page? Thanks for your help, I really appreciate your blog and I'll be back another time to read more of your advice.
I just did a search for the top commentator widget and tried one site, but kept in mind that I saw your comment in the search results about why you loathe this widget. I am so happy I came back to read your post.
I have the do follow widget and I was going to add the other because my blog is new(since Dec). I thought it might help, but now after reading your post I agree with you. I'm not that great with SEO, but that makes total sense. Like I said I'm new to blogging and I really appreciate the knowledge you have.
I don't know how to make it so my blogroll is only on the index page. Would it hurt to make it a page of it's own, like a resource page? Thanks for your help, I really appreciate your blog and I'll be back another time to read more of your advice.
Currently you have your blogroll appearing twice on every page, which isn't a very good idea from an SEO perspective.
You do need to think about reciprocation and also your monetization. Some of those links you are maybe making money from, and some of those people on your blogroll might be linking to you from their blogroll.
As an alternative, you might find this page helpful
http://www.avinash.ws/wordpress/how-to-add-nofo...
Currently you have your blogroll appearing twice on every page, which isn't a very good idea from an SEO perspective.
You do need to think about reciprocation and also your monetization. Some of those links you are maybe making money from, and some of those people on your blogroll might be linking to you from their blogroll.
As an alternative, you might find this page helpful
http://www.avinash.ws/wordpress/how-to-add-nofo...
I just installed the top commentators plugin on my blog recently and saw an immediate increase in comments. Some are crap but most are good. I'm happy to link to other webmasters willing to freely add content to my blog. What I am thinking is that adding nofollow to the comments would be even better. I'll have to test it out.
Regards,
Jeff
I just installed the top commentators plugin on my blog recently and saw an immediate increase in comments. Some are crap but most are good. I'm happy to link to other webmasters willing to freely add content to my blog. What I am thinking is that adding nofollow to the comments would be even better. I'll have to test it out.
Regards,
Jeff
You might think top commenters is a minor problem, but you are giving sitewide links, including all your duplicate content pages.
I see you like the plugin so much you nofollowed the link to the author.
You might think top commenters is a minor problem, but you are giving sitewide links, including all your duplicate content pages.
I see you like the plugin so much you nofollowed the link to the author.
How does that affect the duplicate content?
Thanks!
How does that affect the duplicate content?
Thanks!
excellent post, on my first blog I added a top commenter's plugin and it was nothing but spam and hastle. i never thought it hurt my SERPs though due to duplicate content.
Sam
excellent post, on my first blog I added a top commenter's plugin and it was nothing but spam and hastle. i never thought it hurt my SERPs though due to duplicate content.
Sam