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Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Robin — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:01:04 -0000

Thanks for the info especially the q&a regarding Matt cutts. Any idea how to expedite geting listed with DMOZ?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Robin — Thu, 22 May 2008 09:01:04 -0000

Thanks for the info especially the q&a regarding Matt cutts. Any idea how to expedite geting listed with DMOZ?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Andy — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:02:15 -0000

I don't like the look of them at all. Google has managed to go against its own rules once again. When will this stop. Why doesn't yahoo do something about this. These things really annoy me because little webmasters like me have absolutely no say at all.

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Andy — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:02:15 -0000

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Barrera — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:17:18 -0000

I definitely agree that his tools are greatly useful. I was only referring to the usefulness of the noscript code in my comment. You didn't outline the usefulness of the 'noscript' tag to your readers so I thought you were hinting to Aaron to add it to his script.

I know that you mentioned it in this post, but maybe for the novices out there you could talk more about the noscript tag and its benefits when used properly unless you have a post on this already and I missed it somehow.

As always - Keep up the good work on your GREAT blog!

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Barrera — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:17:18 -0000

As always - Keep up the good work on your GREAT blog!

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

AndyBeard — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:57:16 -0000

Mark I try to include some value in each post for as many people as possible. The keyword research tools are useful if you don't have something better already.

The noscript hint is there for the more advanced users, though I have written before I would advise using another domain, or in Aaron's case he is using a subdomain for his tools.
I am not sure whether Aaron will use this, he might not think he needs the links.

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

AndyBeard — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:57:16 -0000

Mark I try to include some value in each post for as many people as possible. The keyword research tools are useful if you don't have something better already.

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Barrera — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:47:26 -0000

But how would this help anyone but Aaron in this case? Or was this a subtle hint to him that he should add in the noscript code and reap the benefits?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Barrera — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:47:26 -0000

But how would this help anyone but Aaron in this case? Or was this a subtle hint to him that he should add in the noscript code and reap the benefits?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Marc Beharry — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:46:53 -0000

The "internet police," Google does it once again with even more contradictory guidelines.

While massive conflicts of interest abound with Google and its Partners, they continue to hinder legit marketers and webmasters.

...all in the name of, "fighting spam," it reminds me of all the war crimes and human rights violations committed in the name of "fighting terrorism."

Here is a thought Google: Fix one of the main driving forces behind spam, ADSENSE !

anyone want to start a site with me called "Google Bashing?"

i see the domain is already registered: http://www.googlebashing.com/

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Marc Beharry — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:46:53 -0000

The "internet police," Google does it once again with even more contradictory guidelines.

While massive conflicts of interest abound with Google and its Partners, they continue to hinder legit marketers and webmasters.

...all in the name of, "fighting spam," it reminds me of all the war crimes and human rights violations committed in the name of "fighting terrorism."

Here is a thought Google: Fix one of the main driving forces behind spam, ADSENSE !

anyone want to start a site with me called "Google Bashing?"

i see the domain is already registered: http://www.googlebashing.com/

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Tomaz Mencinger — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:26:31 -0000

My guess is that you are trying to confuse the Google spam team with the keyword "paid reviews" that you seem to include a little too often?

And now I have added one more... ;)

So you believe that there is an algorithm checking for this keyword in Google?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Tomaz Mencinger — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:26:31 -0000

My guess is that you are trying to confuse the Google spam team with the keyword "paid reviews" that you seem to include a little too often?

And now I have added one more... ;)

So you believe that there is an algorithm checking for this keyword in Google?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Derami — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:49:38 -0000

OK, I have two lines of thought on this. (1) Google doesn't seem to penalize for the stuff it (or Cutts) claims it does - evidence: sites I know that do paid reviews and paid links and continue to get more and more search traffic anyway. (2) A lot of people have been speculating that the PageRank toolbar update delay may be related to a crackdown on paid links - is there any chance the penalties just haven't kicked in yet?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Derami — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:49:38 -0000

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

AndyBeard — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:53:46 -0000

It is quite simple but insanely powerful if you have it on 1000s of websites.

There is a reason why a site like Bidvertiser can rank well for both PPC Advertising and Make Money Online - Technorati do something similar as well.

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

AndyBeard — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:53:46 -0000

It is quite simple but insanely powerful if you have it on 1000s of websites.

There is a reason why a site like Bidvertiser can rank well for both PPC Advertising and Make Money Online - Technorati do something similar as well.

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Monkey SEO — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:47:08 -0000

ah ha! i wasn't thinking in such simple terms. doh!

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Monkey SEO — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:47:08 -0000

ah ha! i wasn't thinking in such simple terms. doh!

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

AndyBeard — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:38:01 -0000

Well one method gets you lots of juicy search engine spiderable links with the anchor text of your choice, and the other way doesn't.

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

AndyBeard — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:38:01 -0000

Well one method gets you lots of juicy search engine spiderable links with the anchor text of your choice, and the other way doesn't.

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Monkey SEO — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:26:09 -0000

well i see the difference in the code, but i don't get it. does that mean i'm not smart?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

Monkey SEO — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:26:09 -0000

well i see the difference in the code, but i don't get it. does that mean i'm not smart?

Re: Keyword & Link Tools (& How To Confuse The Google Bot)

AndyBeard — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:21:47 -0000

Google hasn't said it, Matt Cutts did (and he has a disclaimer), but here is exactly what was said, emphasis mine.

Q: Are you interested in things like affiliate links? Are you interested in hearing about directories in this report?
A: Nope, Iâ€™d be most interested in feedback like the examples that I mentioned above, or things like paid posts that might affect search engines. If youâ€™re still unsure what sort of reports weâ€™d like to get, thatâ€™s okay. Fortunately, the vast majority of people sending in reports are on the same wavelength and are sending in solid feedback like the examples above.

Q: Hey, as long as weâ€™re talking about directories, can you talk about the role of directories, some of whom charge for a reviewer to evaluate them?
A: Iâ€™ll try to give a few rules of thumb to think about when looking at a directory. When considering submitting to a directory, Iâ€™d ask questions like:
- Does the directory reject urls? If every url passes a review, the directory gets closer to just a list of links or a free-for-all link site.
- What is the quality of urls in the directory? Suppose a site rejects 25% of submissions, but the urls that are accepted/listed are still quite low-quality or spammy. That doesnâ€™t speak well to the quality of the directory.
- If there is a fee, whatâ€™s the purpose of the fee? For a high-quality directory, the fee is primarily for the time/effort for someone to do a genuine evaluation of a url or site.

The quality guidelines state

Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites.

The story in Sphinn hasn't reached a real conclusion yet (and no input from Matt Cutts)

Affected were:-

Aviva
Alive
Big Web Links
ewebpages
Directory Dump
Elegant Directory

Your average mom and pop isn't going to know the difference between them and "Best of the Web"

I do totally agree that it is hypocritical, and I personally would be more inclined sometime in the future to pay for reviews than buy a link in the Yahoo directory as I think a person doing a personal review is more likely to spend time on it than an intern at Yahoo, and such a review would also most likely send traffic.