What does the part where you say "& How To Confuse The Google Bot" have to do with anything?
I am confuse about that...
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Sean a lot of what I write is also to test how Google analyse and test certain content and it openly challenges some of Google's stance on paid links.
This post was laced with keywords which would suggest this is a paid post, and it is written at a time and about a subject that other people might also be writing paid posts.
It will be interesting to see how Google treat this page in the future.
Sean
· 2 years ago
What does the part where you say "& How To Confuse The Google Bot" have to do with anything?
I am confuse about that...
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Sean a lot of what I write is also to test how Google analyse and test certain content and it openly challenges some of Google's stance on paid links.
This post was laced with keywords which would suggest this is a paid post, and it is written at a time and about a subject that other people might also be writing paid posts.
It will be interesting to see how Google treat this page in the future.
Michael Martine
· 2 years ago
Some of your image links in the gadgets don't appear to be working, Andy. Aside from that, Google has said that paying for editorial review, such as Yahoo directory, is acceptable. It's still all rather hypocritical and self-serving, but they make a distinction between editorial review and paid links.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Michael, if you read my writeup on the presentation at SES San Jose 2007 I did question why Lisa from Bruce Clay when live blogging referred to "PPP"
She confirmed in the comments that Matt Cutts used PPP on his slides.
PPP = PayPerPost
PayPerPost only provide services for editorial reviews at this time, not just paid links, so Google are clearly targetting paid reviews more than just paid links.
If you read Sphinn, there are also multiple stories about paid directories being kicked out of SERPs.
As for the bugs, both gadgets appear perfectly in my browser in both iGoogle and on this page using Firefox 2.0.0.6
Michael Martine
· 2 years ago
Yeah, I know, Andy. You're arguing against something I didn't say. Google's punishment of PPP is the same kind of hypocrisy I'm talking about. Do you think Google will punish botw.org? It's a paid directory. Oh... but it uses Google Checkout! Well, I guess it's okay, then! See what I mean? Hypocrites. Google should go after them, but they won't. I'm on your side about this.
As for the bugs, both gadgets appear perfectly in my browser in both iGoogle and on this page using Firefox 2.0.0.6
Well, that's nice for you, isn't it? >:)>
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Google hasn't said it, Matt Cutts did (and he has a disclaimer), but here is exactly what was said, emphasis mine.
Q: Are you interested in things like affiliate links? Are you interested in hearing about directories in this report? A: Nope, I’d be most interested in feedback like the examples that I mentioned above, or things like paid posts that might affect search engines. If you’re still unsure what sort of reports we’d like to get, that’s okay. Fortunately, the vast majority of people sending in reports are on the same wavelength and are sending in solid feedback like the examples above.
Q: Hey, as long as we’re talking about directories, can you talk about the role of directories, some of whom charge for a reviewer to evaluate them? A: I’ll try to give a few rules of thumb to think about when looking at a directory. When considering submitting to a directory, I’d ask questions like: - Does the directory reject urls? If every url passes a review, the directory gets closer to just a list of links or a free-for-all link site. - What is the quality of urls in the directory? Suppose a site rejects 25% of submissions, but the urls that are accepted/listed are still quite low-quality or spammy. That doesn’t speak well to the quality of the directory. - If there is a fee, what’s the purpose of the fee? For a high-quality directory, the fee is primarily for the time/effort for someone to do a genuine evaluation of a url or site.
Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites.
The story in Sphinn hasn't reached a real conclusion yet (and no input from Matt Cutts)
Affected were:-
Aviva Alive Big Web Links ewebpages Directory Dump Elegant Directory
Your average mom and pop isn't going to know the difference between them and "Best of the Web"
I do totally agree that it is hypocritical, and I personally would be more inclined sometime in the future to pay for reviews than buy a link in the Yahoo directory as I think a person doing a personal review is more likely to spend time on it than an intern at Yahoo, and such a review would also most likely send traffic.
Michael Martine
· 2 years ago
Some of your image links in the gadgets don't appear to be working, Andy. Aside from that, Google has said that paying for editorial review, such as Yahoo directory, is acceptable. It's still all rather hypocritical and self-serving, but they make a distinction between editorial review and paid links.
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Michael, if you read my writeup on the presentation at SES San Jose 2007 I did question why Lisa from Bruce Clay when live blogging referred to "PPP"
She confirmed in the comments that Matt Cutts used PPP on his slides.
PPP = PayPerPost
PayPerPost only provide services for editorial reviews at this time, not just paid links, so Google are clearly targetting paid reviews more than just paid links.
If you read Sphinn, there are also multiple stories about paid directories being kicked out of SERPs.
As for the bugs, both gadgets appear perfectly in my browser in both iGoogle and on this page using Firefox 2.0.0.6
Michael Martine
· 2 years ago
Yeah, I know, Andy. You're arguing against something I didn't say. Google's punishment of PPP is the same kind of hypocrisy I'm talking about. Do you think Google will punish botw.org? It's a paid directory. Oh... but it uses Google Checkout! Well, I guess it's okay, then! See what I mean? Hypocrites. Google should go after them, but they won't. I'm on your side about this.
As for the bugs, both gadgets appear perfectly in my browser in both iGoogle and on this page using Firefox 2.0.0.6
Well, that's nice for you, isn't it? >:)>
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Google hasn't said it, Matt Cutts did (and he has a disclaimer), but here is exactly what was said, emphasis mine.
Q: Are you interested in things like affiliate links? Are you interested in hearing about directories in this report? A: Nope, I’d be most interested in feedback like the examples that I mentioned above, or things like paid posts that might affect search engines. If you’re still unsure what sort of reports we’d like to get, that’s okay. Fortunately, the vast majority of people sending in reports are on the same wavelength and are sending in solid feedback like the examples above.
Q: Hey, as long as we’re talking about directories, can you talk about the role of directories, some of whom charge for a reviewer to evaluate them? A: I’ll try to give a few rules of thumb to think about when looking at a directory. When considering submitting to a directory, I’d ask questions like: - Does the directory reject urls? If every url passes a review, the directory gets closer to just a list of links or a free-for-all link site. - What is the quality of urls in the directory? Suppose a site rejects 25% of submissions, but the urls that are accepted/listed are still quite low-quality or spammy. That doesn’t speak well to the quality of the directory. - If there is a fee, what’s the purpose of the fee? For a high-quality directory, the fee is primarily for the time/effort for someone to do a genuine evaluation of a url or site.
Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites.
The story in Sphinn hasn't reached a real conclusion yet (and no input from Matt Cutts)
Affected were:-
Aviva Alive Big Web Links ewebpages Directory Dump Elegant Directory
Your average mom and pop isn't going to know the difference between them and "Best of the Web"
I do totally agree that it is hypocritical, and I personally would be more inclined sometime in the future to pay for reviews than buy a link in the Yahoo directory as I think a person doing a personal review is more likely to spend time on it than an intern at Yahoo, and such a review would also most likely send traffic.
Dimis Balliol
· 2 years ago
Andy with all due respect but the images are not visible and among the 2 paragraphs of the whole post, one of it is to explain that it's not a paid post.
Kind Regards Dimis
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Dimis
You might have Javascript switched off.
How Google treat this article will be an interesting experiment, and as you have read I didn't have time to write a lengthy review so declined being paid for it.
The tools are highly relevant to my audience so despite not having time to write about them extensively, I wrote something about them for free.
It gives me an ideal opportunity to do some experimentation that a lot of my audience will appreciate.
If you do take my hint about the source code, the tip in there really is worth a lot of money and links to smart marketers.
Dimis Balliol
· 2 years ago
Andy with all due respect but the images are not visible and among the 2 paragraphs of the whole post, one of it is to explain that it's not a paid post.
Kind Regards Dimis
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Dimis
You might have Javascript switched off.
How Google treat this article will be an interesting experiment, and as you have read I didn't have time to write a lengthy review so declined being paid for it.
The tools are highly relevant to my audience so despite not having time to write about them extensively, I wrote something about them for free.
It gives me an ideal opportunity to do some experimentation that a lot of my audience will appreciate.
If you do take my hint about the source code, the tip in there really is worth a lot of money and links to smart marketers.
Monkey SEO
· 2 years ago
well i see the difference in the code, but i don't get it. does that mean i'm not smart?
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Well one method gets you lots of juicy search engine spiderable links with the anchor text of your choice, and the other way doesn't.
Barrera
· 2 years ago
But how would this help anyone but Aaron in this case? Or was this a subtle hint to him that he should add in the noscript code and reap the benefits?
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Mark I try to include some value in each post for as many people as possible. The keyword research tools are useful if you don't have something better already.
The noscript hint is there for the more advanced users, though I have written before I would advise using another domain, or in Aaron's case he is using a subdomain for his tools. I am not sure whether Aaron will use this, he might not think he needs the links.
Barrera
· 2 years ago
I definitely agree that his tools are greatly useful. I was only referring to the usefulness of the noscript code in my comment. You didn't outline the usefulness of the 'noscript' tag to your readers so I thought you were hinting to Aaron to add it to his script.
I know that you mentioned it in this post, but maybe for the novices out there you could talk more about the noscript tag and its benefits when used properly unless you have a post on this already and I missed it somehow.
As always - Keep up the good work on your GREAT blog!
Monkey SEO
· 2 years ago
well i see the difference in the code, but i don't get it. does that mean i'm not smart?
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Well one method gets you lots of juicy search engine spiderable links with the anchor text of your choice, and the other way doesn't.
Barrera
· 2 years ago
But how would this help anyone but Aaron in this case? Or was this a subtle hint to him that he should add in the noscript code and reap the benefits?
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
Mark I try to include some value in each post for as many people as possible. The keyword research tools are useful if you don't have something better already.
The noscript hint is there for the more advanced users, though I have written before I would advise using another domain, or in Aaron's case he is using a subdomain for his tools. I am not sure whether Aaron will use this, he might not think he needs the links.
Barrera
· 2 years ago
I definitely agree that his tools are greatly useful. I was only referring to the usefulness of the noscript code in my comment. You didn't outline the usefulness of the 'noscript' tag to your readers so I thought you were hinting to Aaron to add it to his script.
I know that you mentioned it in this post, but maybe for the novices out there you could talk more about the noscript tag and its benefits when used properly unless you have a post on this already and I missed it somehow.
As always - Keep up the good work on your GREAT blog!
Monkey SEO
· 2 years ago
ah ha! i wasn't thinking in such simple terms. doh!
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
It is quite simple but insanely powerful if you have it on 1000s of websites.
There is a reason why a site like Bidvertiser can rank well for both PPC Advertising and Make Money Online - Technorati do something similar as well.
Monkey SEO
· 2 years ago
ah ha! i wasn't thinking in such simple terms. doh!
AndyBeard
· 2 years ago
It is quite simple but insanely powerful if you have it on 1000s of websites.
There is a reason why a site like Bidvertiser can rank well for both PPC Advertising and Make Money Online - Technorati do something similar as well.
Derami
· 2 years ago
OK, I have two lines of thought on this. (1) Google doesn't seem to penalize for the stuff it (or Cutts) claims it does - evidence: sites I know that do paid reviews and paid links and continue to get more and more search traffic anyway. (2) A lot of people have been speculating that the PageRank toolbar update delay may be related to a crackdown on paid links - is there any chance the penalties just haven't kicked in yet?
Derami
· 2 years ago
OK, I have two lines of thought on this. (1) Google doesn't seem to penalize for the stuff it (or Cutts) claims it does - evidence: sites I know that do paid reviews and paid links and continue to get more and more search traffic anyway. (2) A lot of people have been speculating that the PageRank toolbar update delay may be related to a crackdown on paid links - is there any chance the penalties just haven't kicked in yet?
Tomaz Mencinger
· 2 years ago
My guess is that you are trying to confuse the Google spam team with the keyword "paid reviews" that you seem to include a little too often?
And now I have added one more... ;)
So you believe that there is an algorithm checking for this keyword in Google?
Tomaz Mencinger
· 2 years ago
My guess is that you are trying to confuse the Google spam team with the keyword "paid reviews" that you seem to include a little too often?
And now I have added one more... ;)
So you believe that there is an algorithm checking for this keyword in Google?
Marc Beharry
· 2 years ago
The "internet police," Google does it once again with even more contradictory guidelines.
While massive conflicts of interest abound with Google and its Partners, they continue to hinder legit marketers and webmasters.
...all in the name of, "fighting spam," it reminds me of all the war crimes and human rights violations committed in the name of "fighting terrorism."
Here is a thought Google: Fix one of the main driving forces behind spam, ADSENSE !
anyone want to start a site with me called "Google Bashing?"
I don't like the look of them at all. Google has managed to go against its own rules once again. When will this stop. Why doesn't yahoo do something about this. These things really annoy me because little webmasters like me have absolutely no say at all.
Andy
· 2 years ago
I don't like the look of them at all. Google has managed to go against its own rules once again. When will this stop. Why doesn't yahoo do something about this. These things really annoy me because little webmasters like me have absolutely no say at all.
Robin
· 1 year ago
Thanks for the info especially the q&a regarding Matt cutts. Any idea how to expedite geting listed with DMOZ?
Robin
· 1 year ago
Thanks for the info especially the q&a regarding Matt cutts. Any idea how to expedite geting listed with DMOZ?
All Comments
I am confuse about that...
This post was laced with keywords which would suggest this is a paid post, and it is written at a time and about a subject that other people might also be writing paid posts.
It will be interesting to see how Google treat this page in the future.
I am confuse about that...
This post was laced with keywords which would suggest this is a paid post, and it is written at a time and about a subject that other people might also be writing paid posts.
It will be interesting to see how Google treat this page in the future.
She confirmed in the comments that Matt Cutts used PPP on his slides.
PPP = PayPerPost
PayPerPost only provide services for editorial reviews at this time, not just paid links, so Google are clearly targetting paid reviews more than just paid links.
If you read Sphinn, there are also multiple stories about paid directories being kicked out of SERPs.
As for the bugs, both gadgets appear perfectly in my browser in both iGoogle and on this page using Firefox 2.0.0.6
Well, that's nice for you, isn't it? >:)>
The quality guidelines state
The story in Sphinn hasn't reached a real conclusion yet (and no input from Matt Cutts)
Affected were:-
Your average mom and pop isn't going to know the difference between them and "Best of the Web"
I do totally agree that it is hypocritical, and I personally would be more inclined sometime in the future to pay for reviews than buy a link in the Yahoo directory as I think a person doing a personal review is more likely to spend time on it than an intern at Yahoo, and such a review would also most likely send traffic.
She confirmed in the comments that Matt Cutts used PPP on his slides.
PPP = PayPerPost
PayPerPost only provide services for editorial reviews at this time, not just paid links, so Google are clearly targetting paid reviews more than just paid links.
If you read Sphinn, there are also multiple stories about paid directories being kicked out of SERPs.
As for the bugs, both gadgets appear perfectly in my browser in both iGoogle and on this page using Firefox 2.0.0.6
Well, that's nice for you, isn't it? >:)>
The quality guidelines state
The story in Sphinn hasn't reached a real conclusion yet (and no input from Matt Cutts)
Affected were:-
Your average mom and pop isn't going to know the difference between them and "Best of the Web"
I do totally agree that it is hypocritical, and I personally would be more inclined sometime in the future to pay for reviews than buy a link in the Yahoo directory as I think a person doing a personal review is more likely to spend time on it than an intern at Yahoo, and such a review would also most likely send traffic.
Kind Regards
Dimis
You might have Javascript switched off.
How Google treat this article will be an interesting experiment, and as you have read I didn't have time to write a lengthy review so declined being paid for it.
The tools are highly relevant to my audience so despite not having time to write about them extensively, I wrote something about them for free.
It gives me an ideal opportunity to do some experimentation that a lot of my audience will appreciate.
If you do take my hint about the source code, the tip in there really is worth a lot of money and links to smart marketers.
Kind Regards
Dimis
You might have Javascript switched off.
How Google treat this article will be an interesting experiment, and as you have read I didn't have time to write a lengthy review so declined being paid for it.
The tools are highly relevant to my audience so despite not having time to write about them extensively, I wrote something about them for free.
It gives me an ideal opportunity to do some experimentation that a lot of my audience will appreciate.
If you do take my hint about the source code, the tip in there really is worth a lot of money and links to smart marketers.
The noscript hint is there for the more advanced users, though I have written before I would advise using another domain, or in Aaron's case he is using a subdomain for his tools.
I am not sure whether Aaron will use this, he might not think he needs the links.
I know that you mentioned it in this post, but maybe for the novices out there you could talk more about the noscript tag and its benefits when used properly unless you have a post on this already and I missed it somehow.
As always - Keep up the good work on your GREAT blog!
The noscript hint is there for the more advanced users, though I have written before I would advise using another domain, or in Aaron's case he is using a subdomain for his tools.
I am not sure whether Aaron will use this, he might not think he needs the links.
I know that you mentioned it in this post, but maybe for the novices out there you could talk more about the noscript tag and its benefits when used properly unless you have a post on this already and I missed it somehow.
As always - Keep up the good work on your GREAT blog!
There is a reason why a site like Bidvertiser can rank well for both PPC Advertising and Make Money Online - Technorati do something similar as well.
There is a reason why a site like Bidvertiser can rank well for both PPC Advertising and Make Money Online - Technorati do something similar as well.
And now I have added one more... ;)
So you believe that there is an algorithm checking for this keyword in Google?
And now I have added one more... ;)
So you believe that there is an algorithm checking for this keyword in Google?
While massive conflicts of interest abound with Google and its Partners, they continue to hinder legit marketers and webmasters.
...all in the name of, "fighting spam," it reminds me of all the war crimes and human rights violations committed in the name of "fighting terrorism."
Here is a thought Google: Fix one of the main driving forces behind spam, ADSENSE !
anyone want to start a site with me called "Google Bashing?"
i see the domain is already registered: http://www.googlebashing.com/
While massive conflicts of interest abound with Google and its Partners, they continue to hinder legit marketers and webmasters.
...all in the name of, "fighting spam," it reminds me of all the war crimes and human rights violations committed in the name of "fighting terrorism."
Here is a thought Google: Fix one of the main driving forces behind spam, ADSENSE !
anyone want to start a site with me called "Google Bashing?"
i see the domain is already registered: http://www.googlebashing.com/