Hey Andy, you know what? I was very keen about this initially but now that I see how easy one can flag a site as 'not a blog', I am glad I took off three of my (good) blogs from PPP. I applied for reconsideration and got my PR back after I install some no-follow plugins, including your No-Dupes.
I love competition and rankings but seriously, those tiny boxes where one can just tick at fancy makes me nervous. Someone reported one of my blogspot to Blogger as spam just because that surviving one still has PR. *roll eyes*
lilian
· 1 year ago
Hey Andy, you know what? I was very keen about this initially but now that I see how easy one can flag a site as 'not a blog', I am glad I took off three of my (good) blogs from PPP. I applied for reconsideration and got my PR back after I install some no-follow plugins, including your No-Dupes.
I love competition and rankings but seriously, those tiny boxes where one can just tick at fancy makes me nervous. Someone reported one of my blogspot to Blogger as spam just because that surviving one still has PR. *roll eyes*
sir jorge
· 1 year ago
they need to die fast
sir jorge
· 1 year ago
they need to die fast
Ted Murphy
· 1 year ago
As always, thank you for the great feedback Andy. I believe we located the issue around the lower traffic reporting today and should be deploying it after it is run through QA. We really like the idea of including RSS feeds subs, but have struggled with a reliable way to do so. I am all ears if somebody has an idea.
lilian: The system is designed to help us spot problem submissions and is merely a flagging system for us to take a close look at a site. It is by no means an instant process. That said, perhaps it should still be a feature that requires login.
Ted Murphy
· 1 year ago
As always, thank you for the great feedback Andy. I believe we located the issue around the lower traffic reporting today and should be deploying it after it is run through QA. We really like the idea of including RSS feeds subs, but have struggled with a reliable way to do so. I am all ears if somebody has an idea.
lilian: The system is designed to help us spot problem submissions and is merely a flagging system for us to take a close look at a site. It is by no means an instant process. That said, perhaps it should still be a feature that requires login.
RT Cunningham
· 1 year ago
"It is true that Google might currently look on javascript from Izea as an indication of writing paid posts, but hopefully with Social Spark that will be cleared up."
Andy, I just had my blog reconsidered and restored to a PR4 a couple of days ago with the IZEA code in place. All of the old PPP posts are still there, just nofollowed (all are over 30 days old). This is clear indication that the IZEA script in place does not necessarily mean I'm writing paid posts.
AndyBeard
· 1 year ago
Hi RT,
Great to hear that - I have also read a comment by Ted over on Darren's post that the code for IzeaRanks is actually different to that used by PPP bloggers, though the PPP code works for IzeaRanks, so even less worries.
Did you happen to nofollow every link, or just the ones to the advertiser? I am not sure whether you had any additional editorial links in your reviews, it depends on what terms you wrote them under.
RT Cunningham
· 1 year ago
Just the required ones for the advertiser, Andy. I didn't even look at the other links, if any.
Katy
· 1 year ago
To to add in, I also requested reconsideration from Google with my PPP script still installed. I only placed the no follow tag on sponsored links. Additionally, I removed a lot of the "spam looking" posts that I made for PayU2Blog.
Two weeks after my request, my PageRank was restored to my previous 3.
RT Cunningham
· 1 year ago
"It is true that Google might currently look on javascript from Izea as an indication of writing paid posts, but hopefully with Social Spark that will be cleared up."
Andy, I just had my blog reconsidered and restored to a PR4 a couple of days ago with the IZEA code in place. All of the old PPP posts are still there, just nofollowed (all are over 30 days old). This is clear indication that the IZEA script in place does not necessarily mean I'm writing paid posts.
AndyBeard
· 1 year ago
Hi RT,
Great to hear that - I have also read a comment by Ted over on Darren's post that the code for IzeaRanks is actually different to that used by PPP bloggers, though the PPP code works for IzeaRanks, so even less worries.
Did you happen to nofollow every link, or just the ones to the advertiser? I am not sure whether you had any additional editorial links in your reviews, it depends on what terms you wrote them under.
RT Cunningham
· 1 year ago
Just the required ones for the advertiser, Andy. I didn't even look at the other links, if any.
Katy
· 1 year ago
To to add in, I also requested reconsideration from Google with my PPP script still installed. I only placed the no follow tag on sponsored links. Additionally, I removed a lot of the "spam looking" posts that I made for PayU2Blog.
Two weeks after my request, my PageRank was restored to my previous 3.
Michael Lodispoto
· 1 year ago
Everything can be gamed is the bottom line I think. It's up to these sites to do their best to prevent the gaming. Alexa is so useless for data Andy as you know. As someone who uses Izea/Payperpost for a number of sites, when you are hiring the bloggers, they should stop altering rates for pagerank. I know the console lets us choose their ranking system, but I don't pay any attention to it at all. Most bloggers don't either. Ted, please do your bloggers a favor and stop using pagerank for pricing. When something can be taken away so easily be another company, it makes no sense at all.
Michael Lodispoto
· 1 year ago
Everything can be gamed is the bottom line I think. It's up to these sites to do their best to prevent the gaming. Alexa is so useless for data Andy as you know. As someone who uses Izea/Payperpost for a number of sites, when you are hiring the bloggers, they should stop altering rates for pagerank. I know the console lets us choose their ranking system, but I don't pay any attention to it at all. Most bloggers don't either. Ted, please do your bloggers a favor and stop using pagerank for pricing. When something can be taken away so easily be another company, it makes no sense at all.
Lincoln
· 1 year ago
I'm interested in seeing how the ROIRank will work. A ranking system that can aptly computer and compare a blog's conversion rate with other sites would be of significant value to an advertiser, as well as the blogger, especially if the blogger has low traffic but has shown an ability to converts sales at a much higher than average rate.
Lincoln
· 1 year ago
I'm interested in seeing how the ROIRank will work. A ranking system that can aptly computer and compare a blog's conversion rate with other sites would be of significant value to an advertiser, as well as the blogger, especially if the blogger has low traffic but has shown an ability to converts sales at a much higher than average rate.
Steven Snell
· 1 year ago
Interesting points Andy. I think there are major flaws in every ranking system, but I still check on some of them because it gives me a little extra motivation. Even though I know it really doesn't matter where I am ranked it still helps a little bit.
Steven Snell
· 1 year ago
Interesting points Andy. I think there are major flaws in every ranking system, but I still check on some of them because it gives me a little extra motivation. Even though I know it really doesn't matter where I am ranked it still helps a little bit.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
Andy, little off topic, but I found something very interesting. "Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington. ..." The blog is down now but you get this here
Regards, Igor
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
Andy, little off topic, but I found something very interesting. "Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington. ..." The blog is down now but you get this here
Regards, Igor
Ruchir
· 1 year ago
If you have an advertising sales page on your blog, have no doubt that advertisers will start to expect the availability of real statistics, not something you quote from AWStats. AWStats typically reports around 6x as many page views compared to javascript based tracking on my blog, and quite a few more unique visitors.
Actually Andy, javascript based tracking reports much less visitors than real. The stats from awstats might appear a big inflated if you compare it with the stats from, let's say Google Analytics but in reality Awstats is far more accurate than Analytics. The reason: many people in your niche have ad blockers installed. I have ABP installed in Firefox and use it if I use my dialup. And here's the thing: ad blockers not only disable ads, they can stop tracking scripts from loading, which means the stats aren't recorded for that visitor.
AWstats on the other hand is server-side and there's no need to embed a code into your pages. So it tracks almost all of your visitors...
Ruchir
· 1 year ago
If you have an advertising sales page on your blog, have no doubt that advertisers will start to expect the availability of real statistics, not something you quote from AWStats. AWStats typically reports around 6x as many page views compared to javascript based tracking on my blog, and quite a few more unique visitors.
Actually Andy, javascript based tracking reports much less visitors than real. The stats from awstats might appear a big inflated if you compare it with the stats from, let's say Google Analytics but in reality Awstats is far more accurate than Analytics. The reason: many people in your niche have ad blockers installed. I have ABP installed in Firefox and use it if I use my dialup. And here's the thing: ad blockers not only disable ads, they can stop tracking scripts from loading, which means the stats aren't recorded for that visitor.
AWstats on the other hand is server-side and there's no need to embed a code into your pages. So it tracks almost all of your visitors...
Lisa J. Stewart- Big Foot Web
· 1 year ago
Thanks again for the great post Andy. Manipulating data for advertiser's is not a new game :-). I don't know how you can get a totally honest and open "report" of rankings/relevance that are unbiased, untainted and are widely accepted. Google is the closest thing available but they become less credible because they have something to gain from rankings i.e. directly profit from a sites ranking or lack thereof. Is the Internet to vast to come up with standardized "rankings" and who will pay for it?
Lisa J. Stewart- Big Foot Web
· 1 year ago
Thanks again for the great post Andy. Manipulating data for advertiser's is not a new game :-). I don't know how you can get a totally honest and open "report" of rankings/relevance that are unbiased, untainted and are widely accepted. Google is the closest thing available but they become less credible because they have something to gain from rankings i.e. directly profit from a sites ranking or lack thereof. Is the Internet to vast to come up with standardized "rankings" and who will pay for it?
Little Guy Network
· 1 year ago
Very good post thanks for sharing
Little Guy Network
· 1 year ago
Very good post thanks for sharing
Robert
· 1 year ago
In my eyes Ted Murphy brought hope back to Izea/PPP by announcing at the ITM that Google's PR was to be dropped from SS & PPP.
Robert
· 1 year ago
In my eyes Ted Murphy brought hope back to Izea/PPP by announcing at the ITM that Google's PR was to be dropped from SS & PPP.
Slevi
· 1 year ago
In the end it doesn't matter in my opinion on how many different features there'll be for advertisers to look at when it comes to how much traffic a site might be receiving, it's all pretty much useless data anyways.
The entire idea of izearanks in example is nice, but in the end with autobrowsers and such the entire idea can be put to waste again as well since those might easily add up (unique) pageviews to the blogs just to get ranked higher.
You'll get additions added against the usage of such systems in their ToS and suddenly things like blogmad and whatever more traffic exchanger systems quite a lot of people still use can't be used anymore.
Gets rid of some of the competition though in the ranks, but on the other hand it's just one of the potential issues with a system like realrank. In return yet another ranking system will be designed, it'll be outsmarted and the circle goes around once more.
Slevi
· 1 year ago
In the end it doesn't matter in my opinion on how many different features there'll be for advertisers to look at when it comes to how much traffic a site might be receiving, it's all pretty much useless data anyways.
The entire idea of izearanks in example is nice, but in the end with autobrowsers and such the entire idea can be put to waste again as well since those might easily add up (unique) pageviews to the blogs just to get ranked higher.
You'll get additions added against the usage of such systems in their ToS and suddenly things like blogmad and whatever more traffic exchanger systems quite a lot of people still use can't be used anymore.
Gets rid of some of the competition though in the ranks, but on the other hand it's just one of the potential issues with a system like realrank. In return yet another ranking system will be designed, it'll be outsmarted and the circle goes around once more.
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I love competition and rankings but seriously, those tiny boxes where one can just tick at fancy makes me nervous. Someone reported one of my blogspot to Blogger as spam just because that surviving one still has PR. *roll eyes*
I love competition and rankings but seriously, those tiny boxes where one can just tick at fancy makes me nervous. Someone reported one of my blogspot to Blogger as spam just because that surviving one still has PR. *roll eyes*
lilian:
The system is designed to help us spot problem submissions and is merely a flagging system for us to take a close look at a site. It is by no means an instant process. That said, perhaps it should still be a feature that requires login.
lilian:
The system is designed to help us spot problem submissions and is merely a flagging system for us to take a close look at a site. It is by no means an instant process. That said, perhaps it should still be a feature that requires login.
Andy, I just had my blog reconsidered and restored to a PR4 a couple of days ago with the IZEA code in place. All of the old PPP posts are still there, just nofollowed (all are over 30 days old). This is clear indication that the IZEA script in place does not necessarily mean I'm writing paid posts.
Great to hear that - I have also read a comment by Ted over on Darren's post that the code for IzeaRanks is actually different to that used by PPP bloggers, though the PPP code works for IzeaRanks, so even less worries.
Did you happen to nofollow every link, or just the ones to the advertiser?
I am not sure whether you had any additional editorial links in your reviews, it depends on what terms you wrote them under.
Two weeks after my request, my PageRank was restored to my previous 3.
Andy, I just had my blog reconsidered and restored to a PR4 a couple of days ago with the IZEA code in place. All of the old PPP posts are still there, just nofollowed (all are over 30 days old). This is clear indication that the IZEA script in place does not necessarily mean I'm writing paid posts.
Great to hear that - I have also read a comment by Ted over on Darren's post that the code for IzeaRanks is actually different to that used by PPP bloggers, though the PPP code works for IzeaRanks, so even less worries.
Did you happen to nofollow every link, or just the ones to the advertiser?
I am not sure whether you had any additional editorial links in your reviews, it depends on what terms you wrote them under.
Two weeks after my request, my PageRank was restored to my previous 3.
Alexa is so useless for data Andy as you know.
As someone who uses Izea/Payperpost for a number of sites, when you are hiring the bloggers, they should stop altering rates for pagerank. I know the console lets us choose their ranking system, but I don't pay any attention to it at all. Most bloggers don't either. Ted, please do your bloggers a favor and stop using pagerank for pricing.
When something can be taken away so easily be another company, it makes no sense at all.
Alexa is so useless for data Andy as you know.
As someone who uses Izea/Payperpost for a number of sites, when you are hiring the bloggers, they should stop altering rates for pagerank. I know the console lets us choose their ranking system, but I don't pay any attention to it at all. Most bloggers don't either. Ted, please do your bloggers a favor and stop using pagerank for pricing.
When something can be taken away so easily be another company, it makes no sense at all.
Regards,
Igor
Regards,
Igor
Actually Andy, javascript based tracking reports much less visitors than real. The stats from awstats might appear a big inflated if you compare it with the stats from, let's say Google Analytics but in reality Awstats is far more accurate than Analytics. The reason: many people in your niche have ad blockers installed. I have ABP installed in Firefox and use it if I use my dialup. And here's the thing: ad blockers not only disable ads, they can stop tracking scripts from loading, which means the stats aren't recorded for that visitor.
AWstats on the other hand is server-side and there's no need to embed a code into your pages. So it tracks almost all of your visitors...
Actually Andy, javascript based tracking reports much less visitors than real. The stats from awstats might appear a big inflated if you compare it with the stats from, let's say Google Analytics but in reality Awstats is far more accurate than Analytics. The reason: many people in your niche have ad blockers installed. I have ABP installed in Firefox and use it if I use my dialup. And here's the thing: ad blockers not only disable ads, they can stop tracking scripts from loading, which means the stats aren't recorded for that visitor.
AWstats on the other hand is server-side and there's no need to embed a code into your pages. So it tracks almost all of your visitors...
I don't know how you can get a totally honest and open "report" of rankings/relevance that are unbiased, untainted and are widely accepted. Google is the closest thing available but they become less credible because they have something to gain from rankings i.e. directly profit from a sites ranking or lack thereof.
Is the Internet to vast to come up with standardized "rankings" and who will pay for it?
I don't know how you can get a totally honest and open "report" of rankings/relevance that are unbiased, untainted and are widely accepted. Google is the closest thing available but they become less credible because they have something to gain from rankings i.e. directly profit from a sites ranking or lack thereof.
Is the Internet to vast to come up with standardized "rankings" and who will pay for it?
The entire idea of izearanks in example is nice, but in the end with autobrowsers and such the entire idea can be put to waste again as well since those might easily add up (unique) pageviews to the blogs just to get ranked higher.
You'll get additions added against the usage of such systems in their ToS and suddenly things like blogmad and whatever more traffic exchanger systems quite a lot of people still use can't be used anymore.
Gets rid of some of the competition though in the ranks, but on the other hand it's just one of the potential issues with a system like realrank. In return yet another ranking system will be designed, it'll be outsmarted and the circle goes around once more.
The entire idea of izearanks in example is nice, but in the end with autobrowsers and such the entire idea can be put to waste again as well since those might easily add up (unique) pageviews to the blogs just to get ranked higher.
You'll get additions added against the usage of such systems in their ToS and suddenly things like blogmad and whatever more traffic exchanger systems quite a lot of people still use can't be used anymore.
Gets rid of some of the competition though in the ranks, but on the other hand it's just one of the potential issues with a system like realrank. In return yet another ranking system will be designed, it'll be outsmarted and the circle goes around once more.