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Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

kamiller — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:46:19 -0000

i recommend pingler.com it has all the ping services

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Sarasota Injury Attorney — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:12:43 -0000

I was about to recommend that you get a longer ping list for your blog... and then quickly realized that I have no leg to stand on when it comes to giving you advice! Sounds to me like you get a billion hits a month.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

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Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

cakey2k — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:25:33 -0000

I tend to use the standard list that comes with Wordpress but I assume from your posting I should be changing that. Like you say there are lists and lists out there so as someone starting down this journey your advice it helpful.

Thanks

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Andrew Keir — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:34:09 -0000

"I couldn't be more sick of Google and their page rank, search engine ranking, slapping, black hat and all the other crap that no one really knows the truth about..."

Your not kidding, I forsee months of my life being wasted keeping up with Googles cloak and dagger rules.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Dwayne — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:22:40 -0000

I ping about 20 places.
After I post, Google usually indexes the new post with in an hour, sometimes with in minutes. Why would I want to change what already appears to be working?

If it is true that I end up ping Google repeatedly, it would appear that it is doing no harm. I still don't seem to be catching the point of why it would be worth changing.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Rachel — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:27:31 -0000

I have had the same thoughts about ping for a while now! Good to see you blogging about them!
Yahoo is the way forward, google page ranking is much toostressful!

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paul — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:10:48 -0000

interesting i didn't realise that Google bought feed burner. good thing a like about blog sites is that there is more resource of information. thanks Andy

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Alex Sysoef — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:21:24 -0000

Great post Andy and I can't agree more on Ping List. People do so many duplications and don't even realize it. I will have to investigate deeper into FeedBurner list, I ping them in addition to about 4 others on my list but since they stopped providing info on What other services they ping - it made me wonder.

Thanks for info!

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:42:32 -0000

Well with Pingoat they had a blog post about it

Some only accept pings from recognised services such as Feedburner

You could use the Max Blogpress Ping Plugin to test, or just write a simple PHP script and check the response code.
Ultimately the easiset way is to just use Feedburner

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Robert — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:29:08 -0000

Andy:

How do you test to see if a ping service is no longer active or like Pingoat has closed their remote ping service?

Robert

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:42:33 -0000

If you are using Feedburner to host your feeds, I think it is highly important they have picked up your feed before pings are sent to other services.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Timmons — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:36:59 -0000

I have never used long ping lists. I figured that what came with Wordpress was good enough. I have been thinking about switching the email portion of my subscribers over to Aweber but I don't know if they have auto delivery or not.
I also thought that pingomatic also pinged feed burner, but I believe you are talking about pinging your actual account right?

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:34:49 -0000

That screenshot was from an email subscription to Problogger, thus Google are advertising Google Reader in emails without any notification or consent.

Pingomatic was one of the options but unnecessary replication

No paid services currently provide what I want - still waiting on access to Getresponse Beta to see if it is more useful than the current one which I have had a few problems with.

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Ram — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:15:53 -0000

Thanks for pointing out the minor-edit plugin, that thing is brilliant!

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Fr. Vlad Zablotskyy — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:57:27 -0000

Andy,

The WordPress by default comes with Ping-O-Matic pre-installed, it was if I am not mistaken, one of the services Feedburner use to have on the list. Why not use just Ping-O-Matic?

You can't beat Feedburner's price as far as e-mail subscriptions go. But as they say when you pay peanuts you get monkeys.... or something like that.

As far as Google Reader goes I guess it all comes down to profits. They can not show ads to your e-mail subscribers unless you let them- with reader they don't need your permission.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:03:35 -0000

Based on some of the ping lists I have seen, Technorati would be pinged 5-10 times every time you post.

People are pinging Google 50+ times - the others you mention are pinged by Feedburner

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Michel Fortin — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:13:43 -0000

Right. I knew about Pingoat, though I've never removed it. But I don't rely on Pingshot to ping Pingomatic. The fact they don't list ping sites worries me somewhat. So I'd rather play safe.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:01:00 -0000

Pingoat closed their remote ping service before John Reese took it over, so it has been closed for over 2 years.

I have considered adding the major search engines to the list just in case, but then I would be faced with the dilemma of minor edits and pinging them

Pingshot used to ping Pingomatic, though I can't remember whether that was just optional. It is probably superfluous.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Michel Fortin — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:47:58 -0000

For the record, I ping Feedburner (Pingshot), Pingomatic, Pingoat, Yahoo, Bing (Live), and Google. That's it.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:21:01 -0000

With minor edits, the biggest problem isn't pings, but the article appearing as new in a feed reader. Just after publishing I wouldn't look on that as being a problem, later on it is.

I can't tell you whether all of those services are covered by Feedburner, but most of them used to be, before they simplified the interface, but didn't publish their "directory"

Feedburner suggests in their information that they are sophisticated enough to determine whether a post needs to be repinged, or just refetched for your readers to read the correct version.

I can see lots of negatives with using the MPO plugin if you are just using Feedburner for pings.

If you use a huge ping list, I can see a reason to use it, but it seems like 2 negatives doesn't make a right

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

Neo — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:53:14 -0000

Well Google advice not to ping Google in any way but I don't think that its bad to ping techorati or feedburner as they themselves come with ping services.

Thanks

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:53:17 -0000

If you write posts that are anything to do with news, titles change all the time.

As an example I picked up a problem with Bit.ly being labelled as Phishing by OpenDNS - I quickly researched a post so that it was substantive, and had value even when things got fixed, with a balanced view, but I also wrote a title to gain a reaction.

I was unfortunate in many ways that both parties are very much on the ball, and had it fixed within 30 minutes.

What did I do - I changed the title, ammended the leader to the post to ensure any reader knew it had been fixed.

It was actually fixed within 5 minutes of me posting the article

The meta title is used in all kinds of ways, such as by Tweetmeme retweet buttons.

Even more recently, this post was published with a typo in the title, and permalink, which I subsequently fixed within a couple of minutes of publishing.

Fortunately Google allow for this, pick up changes quickly, and determine themselves if the change is substantive

As for other services, I highly doubt any of them are as trusted by sites accepting pings as Google, and if they finally get their act together, Pingshot is a killer app.

Michel Fortin asked about Pingler.com on Twitter but they are one of the services that by default list 55 Google Blogsearch ping sites, along with Feedburner. If they were a trusted service, surely they would have direct contact with Google/Feeedburner, and know that isn't necessary.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:51:44 -0000

It is more a case of how strong an emphasis I can place on recommending just using Pingshot.

Pingshot may be enough - it is all I use and the problem exists with every other list I have seen

Unfortunately I had to cover the negative aspects of relying on a Google service that is in the twilight zone.

Re: Google Screws Up My WordPres Ping List

AndyBeard — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:24 -0000

The tone of my message is to apply thought to what you are doing, but that Feedburner potentially is the best solution... but you can't see where they ping.

As an example there are ping lists that include Google Blogsearch... 55 different versions - plus they also have Feedburner.

When I ping Feedburner, my content appears in all versions of Blogsearch (though there might be a delay across datacenters, it isn't something I have tracked.

Is it sensible to ping Google 55 times + have Feedburner do it, plus most likely other ping broadcast services on the same lists.

I remarked on Twitter that this is similar to using a sledgehammer to open a door.