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Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Dr. Lowell Worthington, Ph.D. — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:37:20 -0000

At what marketshare does Google become a monopoly or dominant player in search?

In some markets they control over 70% of all search activity, and, they clearly dominate the market direction in cost of ads, how they are delivered, etc.

Where is the outrage, or even concern that a single company could so manipulate an international resource this way? Simply having a seemingly innocent company motto ( Don't be Evil ) is not sufficient reason for a pass on privacy rights, market manipulation, and the like.

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Dr. Lowell Worthington, Ph.D. — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:37:20 -0000

At what marketshare does Google become a monopoly or dominant player in search?

In some markets they control over 70% of all search activity, and, they clearly dominate the market direction in cost of ads, how they are delivered, etc.

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Organic Fruit — Mon, 19 May 2008 23:18:02 -0000

Mike,
looks like Google finally did it. After the latest PR update Yahoo Directory's (dir.yahoo.com) inner category pages have lost their PR completely (grey bar). That's definitely going to hurt Y!s $300/yr/link business. What I don't understand is why Yahoo dir's homepage PR has gone up from 7 to 8.

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Organic Fruit — Mon, 19 May 2008 23:18:02 -0000

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

petnos — Sun, 11 May 2008 17:34:12 -0000

@Marco
If the things you mentioned are really true then google doing something wrong i think.

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

petnos — Sun, 11 May 2008 17:34:12 -0000

@Marco
If the things you mentioned are really true then google doing something wrong i think.

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Mike Annable — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:37:54 -0000

Didn't the Yahoo Directory have decent PR in the past? It seems they don't anymore. A couple of years ago Matt Cutts kind of endorsed it in his blog (if I remember correctly). For 300 dollars a year the only thing it really ever did was pass pr.
That was interesting about the manual penalties Hacker Safe was using PR Links as a selling tool and I think Google punished them for it. Since the end of February 2008 Pagerank Toolbar Update the Scan Alert Directory lost all of it's rank. Today it's back to a PR 7. Do you think maybe they wrote Google a sorry letter?

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Mike Annable — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:37:54 -0000

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Marco — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:39:27 -0000

Everyone should be very very careful about critical articles about Google. I have a well known web site and write regulary about Google and critize every once in a while things.

After the first critic, my free Google Apps account was blocked (had to wait more than a week for Google to enable it again "... technical problems").

After the third article (comparing Google docs to Zoho, Thinkfree, etc.) my pagerank was gone within 24 hours. (By the way my PR was always very high, most of the time around 7-8...
) COMPLETELY GONE WITH THE WIND. I checked my google webmaster account and it even says my page is no more indexed... LOL!!!

I have more than 40,000 links pointing to me from famous magazines, newspapers (ny times, etc.)... so it shows that my site is a serious online magazine... i mean i dont really need google to index me, but it's a SHAME what google does just because someone writes publicly something negative about a google product...

I am writing this anonymous because i dont want to risk to lose my google apps mail account again. (will switch to Windows Live domains soon!)

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Marco — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:39:27 -0000

Everyone should be very very careful about critical articles about Google. I have a well known web site and write regulary about Google and critize every once in a while things.

After the first critic, my free Google Apps account was blocked (had to wait more than a week for Google to enable it again "... technical problems").

I am writing this anonymous because i dont want to risk to lose my google apps mail account again. (will switch to Windows Live domains soon!)

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

David — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:04:08 -0000

Good catch, thanks for confirming what we already all knew.

a better question would be when will DMOZ ever become functional again?

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

David — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:04:08 -0000

Good catch, thanks for confirming what we already all knew.

a better question would be when will DMOZ ever become functional again?

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Connie Ragen Green — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000

I believe I have increased my page rank the old-fashioned way - lots of good content, backlinks from my articles, optimizing each page for a relevant keyword phrase, commenting on other blogs, and just plain hard work. I went from 0 to 3 in 7 weeks by doing what works.

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Connie Ragen Green — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:05:44 -0000

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SEO — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:58:29 -0000

Well I guess lucky us who don't get a chance to get listed in DMOZ anyway..LOL

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

SEO — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:58:29 -0000

Well I guess lucky us who don't get a chance to get listed in DMOZ anyway..LOL

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Fort Lauderdale Real Estate — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:53:24 -0000

I was hit with a manual penalty as many real estate sites were, came back and then dropped pr from 5 to 3 on the last pr update. I recently dropped 5 positions on main keyword but doing fine on others.

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Fort Lauderdale Real Estate — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:53:24 -0000

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

multippt — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:13:58 -0000

Seems like Google forgot to cover up its tracks again. Well, at least you get to guess what your real PageRank might be like, before Google patches up its "mistake"

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

multippt — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:13:58 -0000

Seems like Google forgot to cover up its tracks again. Well, at least you get to guess what your real PageRank might be like, before Google patches up its "mistake"

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

Bellingham Real Estate — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:00:46 -0000

Don't be discouraged, the pr updates are affecting all of us. My site as well many others have lost pr on this update and the last. I think its a big chain of events because there are a lot of sites on the top of the chain that lost pr. The thing is I am still rank for my keywords and have not lost any positions in the serps.

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Bellingham Real Estate — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:00:46 -0000

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

igorthetroll — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:27:47 -0000

Andy, you are a directory for all of us. So if we follow WikiPedia you should have PR 5 to 6. ~~~~

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

igorthetroll — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:27:47 -0000

Andy, you are a directory for all of us. So if we follow WikiPedia you should have PR 5 to 6. ~~~~

Re: Google PageRank Directory Clanger

AndyBeard — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:29:53 -0000

Matt, Google have stated that they are dishing out manual penalties for sites selling PageRank, but there is no proof for each individual site.

I have had many people suggest that my own reduction is a natural thing, and I have seen Matt Cutts suggest that there is less juice in the webmaster space, quoting Vanessa Fox as an example. (from memory, in the comments on SEOmoz, not an exact quote)

Now for the first time an individual webmaster can point to and say that Google gave them a manual penalty with some level of proof.
It is not definitive proof, Google might well have assigned the values at random, or used future prediction, or a host of other plausible alternatives, but that wouldn't be typical of how things have worked in the past.
I can assure you I have never had a TBPR displayed as PR6, but I was a PR5 for a long time before Google first dished out penalties at the beginning of October.