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Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Medical Transcriptionist — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:19:26 -0000

I have set up alerts for porn and pharma related comments on my blog and for probable hacking attempts and many times I could find such alerts in my spam box of my gmail!

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Medical Transcriptionist — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:19:26 -0000

I have set up alerts for porn and pharma related comments on my blog and for probable hacking attempts and many times I could find such alerts in my spam box of my gmail!

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

app — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:45:14 -0000

I wonder how many people will mark a newsletter as spam when they get tired of receiving it, rather than unsubscribing?Probably a lot more than you might think.

For some, that spam button serves as a quick unsubscribe button. Or a mass unsubscribe button if you change your mind and decide you don't want the 20 newsletters you just signed up for.

It is much easier and faster to get the newsletters out of your inbox in bulk, for good, by selecting them all and hitting the spam button.

Lazy people don't want to open each, visit a site, possibly have to enter an email address, in some cases have to remember a username & password...then they can be unsubscribed. It's just too much thinking & clicking for some people.

That's one of the reasons why newsletters that are obviously not spam will end up in spam folders.

While you are blaming Google, blame the lazy people, too.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Guest — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:45:14 -0000

I wonder how many people will mark a newsletter as spam when they get tired of receiving it, rather than unsubscribing?Probably a lot more than you might think.

For some, that spam button serves as a quick unsubscribe button. Or a mass unsubscribe button if you change your mind and decide you don't want the 20 newsletters you just signed up for.

It is much easier and faster to get the newsletters out of your inbox in bulk, for good, by selecting them all and hitting the spam button.

That's one of the reasons why newsletters that are obviously not spam will end up in spam folders.

While you are blaming Google, blame the lazy people, too.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

fsbo — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:06:25 -0000

Andy, you caught a good point here. I have never noticed my spam mails, i generally delete them without even looking at.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

fsbo — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:06:25 -0000

Andy, you caught a good point here. I have never noticed my spam mails, i generally delete them without even looking at.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

AndyBeard — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:17:27 -0000

Susan

You are the first person to admit to accidentally clicking on these links as well. I am glad I am not the only one who has done it, though I am sorry for the advertisers.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

AndyBeard — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:17:27 -0000

Susan

You are the first person to admit to accidentally clicking on these links as well. I am glad I am not the only one who has done it, though I am sorry for the advertisers.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Suz — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:52:41 -0000

Apart from the spam thing - I've found it increasingly anoying to accidently click on google adds when I want to click on my email links! They need to figure out a way ASAP to fix that so that the mis-fire clicks don't keep happening. Unless they're doing it on purpose to charge more people for these accidental clicks...

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Suz — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:52:41 -0000

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Josh — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:39:53 -0000

Have you confirmed this with the Google team? If not, you'd better do something about it :)

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Josh — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:39:53 -0000

Have you confirmed this with the Google team? If not, you'd better do something about it :)

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Kelly Lowe — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:46:01 -0000

I've suspected for sometime now that Google did not play by its own rules. I think your post has confirmed my suspicions!

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Kelly Lowe — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:46:01 -0000

I've suspected for sometime now that Google did not play by its own rules. I think your post has confirmed my suspicions!

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Ajith Prasad Edassery — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:56:41 -0000

Hi,
So they are moving the Yahoo mail way is it? I am litterally pissed off with my Yahoo inbox as they have only 500 addresses that I can mark as SPAM. Wonder why can't they provide some behavioral/pattern based SPAM filtering.

Regards,
Ajith

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Ajith Prasad Edassery — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:56:41 -0000

Regards,
Ajith

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Vishnu — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:34:47 -0000

I am also experiencing something similar.. some of the mail I labeled to identify from other mail in inbox are getting delivered in to the spam folder.. Occasionally when some one send me an offline chat i was getting it twice.. in same chat window/ chat-mail alert..

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Vishnu — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:34:47 -0000

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Chris Lang — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:06:43 -0000

I, even though I sell an email delivery infoproduct, tell all my subscribers that you should be using AWeber.

I have seen the reports, 97% of all outgoing AWeber email is delivered.

Even if you buy my $69 eBook, follow every strategy, implement everything and move to a dedicated server, you are NOT going to deliver %97 of your email. And you are not no matter who's product you buy.

Also a dedicated IP address is going to be blocked for the first 6 months it is in operation because it is a new IP. Hotmail blocks you for 6 and AOL for 3.

Why would anyone else then worry about sending email any other way?

Wordpress for one thing. It sends emails, if you allow it, following comment threads.

If a visitor adds a misspelled email address that is real, then you send email to a hot address and you are labeled a spammer by the recipient. This is one of the problems with using Comment Relish.

If your reader misspells their email address you send spam.

Refer a friend scripts, IPN notifications and your own email address if you connect to your SMTP out email server on your domain all use your server to send mail.

As far as user whitelisting goes just use an instruction guide on the landing page whenever a user signs up to anything.

In fact I give the best one there is away free.

This will create user whitelist instructions for all the ISPs, mobile devices and most of the popular client side spam filters. This also includes things like Blackberries, SpamCop (used heavily by Microsoft) and more ISPs than previously included.

http://www.emaildeliveryjed...

Use whitelisting still only goes so far today. Your overall Email Reputation is what matters. What affects it the most? Users clicking the spam button on you, so keep it inbounds.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Chris Lang — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:06:43 -0000

I, even though I sell an email delivery infoproduct, tell all my subscribers that you should be using AWeber.

I have seen the reports, 97% of all outgoing AWeber email is delivered.

Also a dedicated IP address is going to be blocked for the first 6 months it is in operation because it is a new IP. Hotmail blocks you for 6 and AOL for 3.

Why would anyone else then worry about sending email any other way?

Wordpress for one thing. It sends emails, if you allow it, following comment threads.

If a visitor adds a misspelled email address that is real, then you send email to a hot address and you are labeled a spammer by the recipient. This is one of the problems with using Comment Relish.

If your reader misspells their email address you send spam.

Refer a friend scripts, IPN notifications and your own email address if you connect to your SMTP out email server on your domain all use your server to send mail.

As far as user whitelisting goes just use an instruction guide on the landing page whenever a user signs up to anything.

In fact I give the best one there is away free.

http://www.emaildeliveryjed...

Use whitelisting still only goes so far today. Your overall Email Reputation is what matters. What affects it the most? Users clicking the spam button on you, so keep it inbounds.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Chris Lang — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:44:36 -0000

Google alerets going to the spam folder are based on content filtering and the URLs in the alert. It is not Gmail's delivery issue, it's the content that they sent.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Chris Lang — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:44:36 -0000

Google alerets going to the spam folder are based on content filtering and the URLs in the alert. It is not Gmail's delivery issue, it's the content that they sent.

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Chris Lang — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:43:09 -0000

It's easy to whitelist AWeber, you whitelist the domain.

Gmail only allows you to whitelist the from email address. I does not allow you to whitelist entire domains. If they did then you could whitelist the entire domain and all AWeber emails would get delivered. That is how Gmail can fix this, add domain whitlisting.

Also there are a few Yahoo secrets that will get you out of the spam folder and back in the Inbox no matter who is sending your email. This works even if you are a spammer. That is one reason I have not made this strategy public, I don't want spammers to know it.

There is only one way to get your email delivered.

Get whitelisted at the ISPs.

Get on FLBs so that you get you own copy of any spam complaints.

Use email authentication.

Build a good long term email reputation.

Send your email from a dedicated IP address or range of IP addresses.

Anything else is just going to get you labeled as a spammer by ISPs.

User whitelisting uses to get you straight to the inbox at all the ISPs, now if you are blocked in any way, have a high bounce rate or get the spam button clicked on you user whiteiisting has little effect.

Chris Lang

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Chris Lang — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:43:09 -0000

It's easy to whitelist AWeber, you whitelist the domain.

There is only one way to get your email delivered.

Get whitelisted at the ISPs.

Get on FLBs so that you get you own copy of any spam complaints.

Use email authentication.

Build a good long term email reputation.

Send your email from a dedicated IP address or range of IP addresses.

Anything else is just going to get you labeled as a spammer by ISPs.

Chris Lang

Re: Gmail Team – Please Fix These First

Chris Lang — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:05:21 -0000

You are completely wrong about AWeber. You CANNOT spam any email address through AWeber because it uses double opt in. And if you are not using double opt in then you have already set yourself up to be labled a spammer.

How can I send spam through AWeber when I have to have my readers click a double opt in confirmation link?

Sending untargeted, out of left field offers can get the spam buton clicked on you, but that is not what you are saying.

You said "sorry, but aweber does not have 100% clean opt in lists. they are known for spammers. being technically compliant with can-spam does not mean people are not sending spam."

That has about 4 different issues in it and is so confusing I can't even go into it here.

Also I just read your sales letter at the other end of your sig file.

Maybe if you are going to push buying your $100 product you had better tell them that they will need a dedicated IP address for their mail server before they try to get any email delivered from their site.

Otherwise you are going to get allot of returns.

Also since you are using keywords in a DoFollow comment you look like a blog spammer to me.