Andy, I notified Wikipedia and we will see to it that the truth about this case is reflected in ePerks and Brabus venture articles.
AndyBeard
· 1 year ago
Igor I deleted the links, they just went to a "this page does not exist yet" on Wikipedia, which is just a terrible user experience.
Linking to non-existant pages on Wikipedia is worse than linking to stubs.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
Andy, no problem, but that is how Wikipedia functions. They are call Red Wiki Links. Any Wiki you go to you will find Red links. Red links or links to an article that does not exists yet are created by one editor, another editor who chooses to start an article will add content to that article. Another editor will wikify the content to make sure it conforms to Wikipedia notability, reliability, and verification process.
It is team work. I understand you are not familiar with building a Wikipedia article and thought I did something disregarding Netiqueete, but I assure you I have not.
If anyone here interested in creating the Wikipedian articles for Brabus Ventures and ePerks please do. If you need help in understanding how an article is created please come see me on my Wikipedia page and I will instruct you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Igorberger or you can Tweet me. http://twitter.com/igorthetroll
Also Andy, an article may not even be notable per Wikipedian policy, but there are benefits to that. Email me and I will explain.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
Andy, I notified Wikipedia and we will see to it that the truth about this case is reflected in ePerks and Brabus venture articles.
AndyBeard
· 1 year ago
Igor I deleted the links, they just went to a "this page does not exist yet" on Wikipedia, which is just a terrible user experience.
Linking to non-existant pages on Wikipedia is worse than linking to stubs.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
Andy, no problem, but that is how Wikipedia functions. They are call Red Wiki Links. Any Wiki you go to you will find Red links. Red links or links to an article that does not exists yet are created by one editor, another editor who chooses to start an article will add content to that article. Another editor will wikify the content to make sure it conforms to Wikipedia notability, reliability, and verification process.
It is team work. I understand you are not familiar with building a Wikipedia article and thought I did something disregarding Netiqueete, but I assure you I have not.
If anyone here interested in creating the Wikipedian articles for Brabus Ventures and ePerks please do. If you need help in understanding how an article is created please come see me on my Wikipedia page and I will instruct you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Igorberger or you can Tweet me. http://twitter.com/igorthetroll
Also Andy, an article may not even be notable per Wikipedian policy, but there are benefits to that. Email me and I will explain.
Simon
· 1 year ago
Andy, I admire your loyalty and it's good to know that people like you are out there. I'll stumble the story again, keep it up.
Simon
· 1 year ago
Andy, I admire your loyalty and it's good to know that people like you are out there. I'll stumble the story again, keep it up.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
To all Bloggers! If you have written a post about ePerks abuse of Blogger Vlad, I welcome you to come to Friend Feed Social Media room and post a link to your post on this thread that I started in support of Vlad.
To all Bloggers! If you have written a post about ePerks abuse of Blogger Vlad, I welcome you to come to Friend Feed Social Media room and post a link to your post on this thread that I started in support of Vlad.
Thanks for you tips on how to use Friendfeed. Like most of us Internet enthusiasts, I signed up for Friendfeed, but I really haven't done anything with it. I am going to try to do a search and follow a topic right now. It will help my blogging efforts.
Washington Mutual Online Banki
· 1 year ago
Andy,
Thanks for you tips on how to use Friendfeed. Like most of us Internet enthusiasts, I signed up for Friendfeed, but I really haven't done anything with it. I am going to try to do a search and follow a topic right now. It will help my blogging efforts.
Melvin
· 1 year ago
if im in vlads shoes i dont really will have any idea what to do.. nice pictures though...
Melvin
· 1 year ago
if im in vlads shoes i dont really will have any idea what to do.. nice pictures though...
Lord Matt
· 1 year ago
Well... I guess this is a complement to Vlad but realy to suggest that a hierarchy obviously exists in a decentralized environment is to talk complete and utter **** (insert choice word here). Then again it seems that this is what the minions of you know who are best at. Feel free to quote me on that.
Honestly! It's a wonder they lasted as long as they did.
Lord Matt
· 1 year ago
Well... I guess this is a complement to Vlad but realy to suggest that a hierarchy obviously exists in a decentralized environment is to talk complete and utter **** (insert choice word here). Then again it seems that this is what the minions of you know who are best at. Feel free to quote me on that.
Honestly! It's a wonder they lasted as long as they did.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
Minion definitely a wrong choice of a word.
We are more like Jedi Warriors!
We are all equal Brothers among each other.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
Minion definitely a wrong choice of a word.
We are more like Jedi Warriors!
We are all equal Brothers among each other.
REBlogGirl
· 1 year ago
Minion. I just feel the need to type that as often as I can now. Never been called that before, but I'll take it. 1 point for ePerks for the most creative use of insults I've seen recently. What I want to know is how can one Company employ, contract, grow in a test tube so many people with so little self control and so much anger. I'll say it again- ePerks: get some real attorneys, a real PR firm, put Ben on some heavy meds and at least try to salvage this situation instead of making it worse.
REBlogGirl
· 1 year ago
Minion. I just feel the need to type that as often as I can now. Never been called that before, but I'll take it. 1 point for ePerks for the most creative use of insults I've seen recently. What I want to know is how can one Company employ, contract, grow in a test tube so many people with so little self control and so much anger. I'll say it again- ePerks: get some real attorneys, a real PR firm, put Ben on some heavy meds and at least try to salvage this situation instead of making it worse.
Dennis Edell
· 1 year ago
2 points to REBlogGirl for best comment so far :-)
Andy - not to go too far OT, but as this moves on and on around the net it gets me wondering...
How do you suppose this may effect "reviews" in general in the future? Will we have to make them more "plugs" then honest reviews, out of fear?
Stupidity aside, this sets a tone, and not a good one. I sure as hell couldn't afford the wrong end of a lawsuit.
Perhaps an idea for a future article/post...
AndyBeard
· 1 year ago
Dennis it frightens me too, it is not just because Vlad is a great member of my community that I am voicing such strong opinions. Vlad actually got involved with paid reviews very much because of me, and stopped doing them out of fear after this ePerk's incident.
It is really hard for a blogger to remain objective as it is, especially with claims that payment affects their abiity to give fair commentary.
With the threat of lawsuits, in some ways it makes it worse, but at the same time it might offer some level of protection.
It is complicated, but yes it is something I need to address in a blog post
Dennis Edell
· 1 year ago
2 points to REBlogGirl for best comment so far :-)
Andy - not to go too far OT, but as this moves on and on around the net it gets me wondering...
How do you suppose this may effect "reviews" in general in the future? Will we have to make them more "plugs" then honest reviews, out of fear?
Stupidity aside, this sets a tone, and not a good one. I sure as hell couldn't afford the wrong end of a lawsuit.
Perhaps an idea for a future article/post...
AndyBeard
· 1 year ago
Dennis it frightens me too, it is not just because Vlad is a great member of my community that I am voicing such strong opinions. Vlad actually got involved with paid reviews very much because of me, and stopped doing them out of fear after this ePerk's incident.
It is really hard for a blogger to remain objective as it is, especially with claims that payment affects their abiity to give fair commentary.
With the threat of lawsuits, in some ways it makes it worse, but at the same time it might offer some level of protection.
It is complicated, but yes it is something I need to address in a blog post
Dennis Edell
· 1 year ago
I've never done anything like PPP out of Google fear, but i would like to privately advertise...I guess "super picky" might be the order of the day now.
I figured you were the best to do that post, you've been champing this more then anyone...Vlad is lucky to have those like you on his side :)
Dennis Edell
· 1 year ago
I've never done anything like PPP out of Google fear, but i would like to privately advertise...I guess "super picky" might be the order of the day now.
I figured you were the best to do that post, you've been champing this more then anyone...Vlad is lucky to have those like you on his side :)
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
I am with Andy 100%. Since I met him online a little over a year ago we stood together on a number of issues. Andy is a great guy, even though we may not see eye to eye on an issue sometimes, but he is always objective and investigates what the grievances are about.
When I was wronged by Danny Sullivan on Sphinn Andy might not have agreed with me in the beginning, but a few months latter he took the fight to Danny!
I trust Andy as Human Rights advocate for Bloggers, and I stand proudly with him in solidarity.
Andy, thank you for being my friend and one of my allies.
igorthetroll
· 1 year ago
I am with Andy 100%. Since I met him online a little over a year ago we stood together on a number of issues. Andy is a great guy, even though we may not see eye to eye on an issue sometimes, but he is always objective and investigates what the grievances are about.
When I was wronged by Danny Sullivan on Sphinn Andy might not have agreed with me in the beginning, but a few months latter he took the fight to Danny!
I trust Andy as Human Rights advocate for Bloggers, and I stand proudly with him in solidarity.
Andy, thank you for being my friend and one of my allies.
Suz
· 1 year ago
Thanks for the heads up on the friendfeed connection, I'm going to have to check that out- I always get overwhelmed trying to keep track of conversations across several social networks.
Suz
· 1 year ago
Thanks for the heads up on the friendfeed connection, I'm going to have to check that out- I always get overwhelmed trying to keep track of conversations across several social networks.
rob
· 1 year ago
Awful - stumbled
rob
· 1 year ago
Awful - stumbled
Chantal
· 1 year ago
I would be interested to see if this firm ever makes some kind of retraction or even tries to saver their name.
I'm not closely linked to either of these companies but I am in real estate. I've read blogs as a part of my daily routine to keep abreast of the real estae community and different changes in the market place.
I can assure you, I'd never attach my name to a company like EPerks.
If their lawyer thinks that the blogging community out there are "Minions," then he is seriously mistaken.
We all read the news and all know what is going on. The power of blogs is as powerfull as any other for of media.
EPerks - if you were smart, you would turn all of this publicity into positive publicity and do the right thing. As a business entity, from a PR perspective you can turn all of this negative publicity around and boost your organization. However, I get the feeling that there are too many ego's at stake and that will never happen.
My two cents as one of the minions.
Chantal
· 1 year ago
I would be interested to see if this firm ever makes some kind of retraction or even tries to saver their name.
I'm not closely linked to either of these companies but I am in real estate. I've read blogs as a part of my daily routine to keep abreast of the real estae community and different changes in the market place.
I can assure you, I'd never attach my name to a company like EPerks.
If their lawyer thinks that the blogging community out there are "Minions," then he is seriously mistaken.
We all read the news and all know what is going on. The power of blogs is as powerfull as any other for of media.
EPerks - if you were smart, you would turn all of this publicity into positive publicity and do the right thing. As a business entity, from a PR perspective you can turn all of this negative publicity around and boost your organization. However, I get the feeling that there are too many ego's at stake and that will never happen.
My two cents as one of the minions.
Mitch Argon - Minden
· 1 year ago
I love the graphic (and the movie).
I posted up this story on my blog and was glad to find some press here.
The eJerks seem to be pretty darn arrogant. It'll catch up with them.
Mitch Argon - Minden
· 1 year ago
I love the graphic (and the movie).
I posted up this story on my blog and was glad to find some press here.
The eJerks seem to be pretty darn arrogant. It'll catch up with them.
Tracy Coenen
· 1 year ago
ShopToEarn is bullying bloggers. Please read about the situation on my site and consider mentioning it on your blog. They are threatening bloggers and it has to stop!
ShopToEarn is bullying bloggers. Please read about the situation on my site and consider mentioning it on your blog. They are threatening bloggers and it has to stop!
I just did some more quick research on the whole case...And Mary is right! It does seem like ePerks is trying to take down Vlad but having the opposite effect. HA! Good job supporting Vlad, I've stumbled this page.
Monavie
· 1 year ago
I just did some more quick research on the whole case...And Mary is right! It does seem like ePerks is trying to take down Vlad but having the opposite effect. HA! Good job supporting Vlad, I've stumbled this page.
All Comments
Linking to non-existant pages on Wikipedia is worse than linking to stubs.
It is team work. I understand you are not familiar with building a Wikipedia article and thought I did something disregarding Netiqueete, but I assure you I have not.
If anyone here interested in creating the Wikipedian articles for Brabus Ventures and ePerks please do. If you need help in understanding how an article is created please come see me on my Wikipedia page and I will instruct you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Igorberger or you can Tweet me. http://twitter.com/igorthetroll
Also Andy, an article may not even be notable per Wikipedian policy, but there are benefits to that. Email me and I will explain.
Linking to non-existant pages on Wikipedia is worse than linking to stubs.
It is team work. I understand you are not familiar with building a Wikipedia article and thought I did something disregarding Netiqueete, but I assure you I have not.
If anyone here interested in creating the Wikipedian articles for Brabus Ventures and ePerks please do. If you need help in understanding how an article is created please come see me on my Wikipedia page and I will instruct you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Igorberger or you can Tweet me. http://twitter.com/igorthetroll
Also Andy, an article may not even be notable per Wikipedian policy, but there are benefits to that. Email me and I will explain.
http://friendfeed.com/e/0ffc6264-3677-11dd-abf3...
http://friendfeed.com/e/0ffc6264-3677-11dd-abf3...
Thanks for you tips on how to use Friendfeed. Like most of us Internet enthusiasts, I signed up for Friendfeed, but I really haven't done anything with it. I am going to try to do a search and follow a topic right now. It will help my blogging efforts.
Thanks for you tips on how to use Friendfeed. Like most of us Internet enthusiasts, I signed up for Friendfeed, but I really haven't done anything with it. I am going to try to do a search and follow a topic right now. It will help my blogging efforts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minion
Honestly! It's a wonder they lasted as long as they did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minion
Honestly! It's a wonder they lasted as long as they did.
We are more like Jedi Warriors!
We are all equal Brothers among each other.
We are more like Jedi Warriors!
We are all equal Brothers among each other.
Andy - not to go too far OT, but as this moves on and on around the net it gets me wondering...
How do you suppose this may effect "reviews" in general in the future? Will we have to make them more "plugs" then honest reviews, out of fear?
Stupidity aside, this sets a tone, and not a good one. I sure as hell couldn't afford the wrong end of a lawsuit.
Perhaps an idea for a future article/post...
Vlad actually got involved with paid reviews very much because of me, and stopped doing them out of fear after this ePerk's incident.
It is really hard for a blogger to remain objective as it is, especially with claims that payment affects their abiity to give fair commentary.
With the threat of lawsuits, in some ways it makes it worse, but at the same time it might offer some level of protection.
It is complicated, but yes it is something I need to address in a blog post
Andy - not to go too far OT, but as this moves on and on around the net it gets me wondering...
How do you suppose this may effect "reviews" in general in the future? Will we have to make them more "plugs" then honest reviews, out of fear?
Stupidity aside, this sets a tone, and not a good one. I sure as hell couldn't afford the wrong end of a lawsuit.
Perhaps an idea for a future article/post...
Vlad actually got involved with paid reviews very much because of me, and stopped doing them out of fear after this ePerk's incident.
It is really hard for a blogger to remain objective as it is, especially with claims that payment affects their abiity to give fair commentary.
With the threat of lawsuits, in some ways it makes it worse, but at the same time it might offer some level of protection.
It is complicated, but yes it is something I need to address in a blog post
I figured you were the best to do that post, you've been champing this more then anyone...Vlad is lucky to have those like you on his side :)
I figured you were the best to do that post, you've been champing this more then anyone...Vlad is lucky to have those like you on his side :)
When I was wronged by Danny Sullivan on Sphinn Andy might not have agreed with me in the beginning, but a few months latter he took the fight to Danny!
I trust Andy as Human Rights advocate for Bloggers, and I stand proudly with him in solidarity.
Andy, thank you for being my friend and one of my allies.
When I was wronged by Danny Sullivan on Sphinn Andy might not have agreed with me in the beginning, but a few months latter he took the fight to Danny!
I trust Andy as Human Rights advocate for Bloggers, and I stand proudly with him in solidarity.
Andy, thank you for being my friend and one of my allies.
I'm not closely linked to either of these companies but I am in real estate. I've read blogs as a part of my daily routine to keep abreast of the real estae community and different changes in the market place.
I can assure you, I'd never attach my name to a company like EPerks.
If their lawyer thinks that the blogging community out there are "Minions," then he is seriously mistaken.
We all read the news and all know what is going on. The power of blogs is as powerfull as any other for of media.
EPerks - if you were smart, you would turn all of this publicity into positive publicity and do the right thing. As a business entity, from a PR perspective you can turn all of this negative publicity around and boost your organization. However, I get the feeling that there are too many ego's at stake and that will never happen.
My two cents as one of the minions.
I'm not closely linked to either of these companies but I am in real estate. I've read blogs as a part of my daily routine to keep abreast of the real estae community and different changes in the market place.
I can assure you, I'd never attach my name to a company like EPerks.
If their lawyer thinks that the blogging community out there are "Minions," then he is seriously mistaken.
We all read the news and all know what is going on. The power of blogs is as powerfull as any other for of media.
EPerks - if you were smart, you would turn all of this publicity into positive publicity and do the right thing. As a business entity, from a PR perspective you can turn all of this negative publicity around and boost your organization. However, I get the feeling that there are too many ego's at stake and that will never happen.
My two cents as one of the minions.
I posted up this story on my blog and was glad to find some press here.
The eJerks seem to be pretty darn arrogant. It'll catch up with them.
I posted up this story on my blog and was glad to find some press here.
The eJerks seem to be pretty darn arrogant. It'll catch up with them.
http://www.sequence-inc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/...
http://www.sequence-inc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/...