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Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:00:24 -0000

There isn't an effect on Adsense revenue, I would be more worried about sticking social bookmarking buttons on a blog than Blogrush, as in I am not worried at all.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:00:24 -0000

There isn't an effect on Adsense revenue, I would be more worried about sticking social bookmarking buttons on a blog than Blogrush, as in I am not worried at all.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Environmental News — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:39:25 -0000

Yeah but what about the effect on adsense revenue?

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Environmental News — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:39:25 -0000

Yeah but what about the effect on adsense revenue?

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Andy (Other one) — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:56:08 -0000

Just received Blogrush's recent e-mail about major changes and I have to say that if that is the way they are going to go, then I'm all for it!
I don't like cheaters and think they are the bain of the internet. Yes, everyone wants traffic but that traffic (and subscribers) should be gained on the merits of what you write not on automated services and other viral tactics to bolster your CTR.
If what you write is good enough and reasonably clean then it will get the coverage it deserves. I don't think the odd spelling mistake affects anything if the article is good quality and informative. It will stand on that alone and instead of the viewer being just one of a myraid number of traffic, they will become subscribers and that in itself is what will make your blog/site successful.
I'm also pleased to see that they are not wanting teh pornography blogs in the system. Thats not that I have anything against them, they serve the purpose of some for what they are. But if you have a service where you host other peoples blogs and you have kids in that system then you can't morally use a tool that will bring them into contact with porn. Least I don't think so and as I fit in that category of hosting blogs via my system and have kids as young as 14 - 15 on there then I have to be morally aware of what content I allow in my system.
I'm waiting to see what the changes will be but if the e-mail that I received today is anything to go by then Blogrush is going to be a good tool that will send quality traffic and be a very good asset to the blogging community.
As I said previously it's early days yet and like any new application bugs have to be sorted out and fair play to them for pointing out the ones they have already found and are dealing with. Plus they cared enough to apoligise profusely for the issues they found. That gives them good kudo's in my book and I'm going to give them the time to fully develop the system and see how it matures. I think it's going to be an excellent feature as it does.
Time to start developing a simple plugin I think... :)

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Andy (Other one) — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:56:08 -0000

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:21:51 -0000

There was a motivator for MBL as well, otherwise people wouldn't have been giving away Zunes for people to join their community.

Potential additional traffic, more powerful links, as linkbait... you name it, there were all kinds of motivations.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:21:51 -0000

There was a motivator for MBL as well, otherwise people wouldn't have been giving away Zunes for people to join their community.

Potential additional traffic, more powerful links, as linkbait... you name it, there were all kinds of motivations.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Barry Cox — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:16:29 -0000

Wow this is good information. I am in the process of setting up my first wordpress blog and keep on hearing about BlogRush. The post was great and the interaction and information in the comments section is just as useful. I will be trying out BlogRush with my new blog for sure.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Barry Cox — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:16:29 -0000

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Jordan Mitchell — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:21:13 -0000

I think it's a matter of perception whether I was "attacking" BlogRush or not. I don't think anyone can refute that, like Amway, there's a motivator (and reward mechanism) for establishing a "downline". The people at the top are rewarded the most, and this reward scheme takes a pyramid shape. This is fact -- let's call a spade a spade. I've done my best to stick to facts rather than opinion, and even though these tactics aren't something I would employ I am envious of their successful distribution/launch.

In short, we agree on the following:
-- Our web site doesn't differentiate us well enough. I'm not a very good marketing person.
-- Gaining support for *anything* by attacking others does not work.
-- toolbars aren't for everyone (ours is optional BTW, but using it increases your visibility and CTR significantly)

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Jordan Mitchell — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:21:13 -0000

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:16:55 -0000

Jordan

The referral credits are not going to take a huge amount of time to distribute through the system, because the amount of free credits that Blogrush can arbitrarily distribute any way it likes are far greater per day than any in the referral system, at least currently.

Just using their own 10%, plus half of the free to allocate credits, it will probably take around 3 days to burn through existing reserves of credits, and there is certainly nothing preventing them being used more gradually.

If I was in John's position I would also clear up my database as a first priority before allowing credits to be used, thus preventing "illicit" earnings to give some additional profit.

I haven't got a closed mid to OthersOnline, but I will add the following.

1. The the website doesn't tell me enough information about why it is different
2. I already have 7 toolbars in Firefox, adding another would be a huge inconvenience.
3. Trying to leverage some support for Othersonline with statements like "amway-like pyramid scheme in reference to Blogrush" isn't going to help you. The other widgets in the space have achieved their growth without having to attack each other.

The statement still remains there, totally unmodified and without any real qualification as to exactly why you are making the statement.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:16:55 -0000

Jordan

If I was in John's position I would also clear up my database as a first priority before allowing credits to be used, thus preventing "illicit" earnings to give some additional profit.

I haven't got a closed mid to OthersOnline, but I will add the following.

The statement still remains there, totally unmodified and without any real qualification as to exactly why you are making the statement.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Jordan Mitchell — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:59:36 -0000

I asked for where BR tells users their impression and click data is totally inaccurate -- you point to the obvious statement they have regarding CREDITS. I know you know that credits are different from impressions and clicks.

You're not telling me anything I haven't already read and considered.

Whilst there might be small % differences in what I listed, the idea that somehow Blogrush are giving out 450% of the credits actually being earned in the system isâ€¦

I don't know where you came up with that idea. Let me point out again what I said specifically:

Based on the stats I've compiled from people who've reported them (again, from their BlogRush reports, which I understand you purport to not be factual), on average the credits earned are 450% of the impressions delivered.

I'm not sure how much clearer this can be. On average the total credits earned were 4.5x the number of impressions delivered. I suspect your "total credits earned over the last 30 days" stat exceeds your "impressions delivered over the last 30 days" too, yes?

The list I provided is not MFA. It's from our own system, based on our own algorithm, and represents the interests our users have shown in their blogging and browsing behavior, not necessarily the interests they explicitly added to their profile. There's a bit of science there to explain (auto-tagging, relevance ranking, etc.), but something tells me you're not interested in that sort of substance.

I've long concluded there's very little I could say to inspire you with confidence -- you appear locked into your perspective and unable to open your mind to anything else. That said, I was willing to go down the road of your silly "worm farming" game/example. I already admitted "failure" in this example, and feel this angle of yours is simply indicative of an intention to subjectively single out weaknesses rather than objectively consider potential strengths/benefits.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Jordan Mitchell — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:59:36 -0000

You're not telling me anything I haven't already read and considered.

Whilst there might be small % differences in what I listed, the idea that somehow Blogrush are giving out 450% of the credits actually being earned in the system isâ€¦

I don't know where you came up with that idea. Let me point out again what I said specifically:

Based on the stats I've compiled from people who've reported them (again, from their BlogRush reports, which I understand you purport to not be factual), on average the credits earned are 450% of the impressions delivered.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:00:27 -0000

Jordan - it is in this article, as a specific quotation, and as soon as you log into Blogrush you see the stats page, but from when it was first introduce, and it is still the case, it has had very clearly at the bottom of the page.

Special Note: All Members are currently receiving BONUS CREDITS that are not yet reflected in these statistics.

Anyone actually reviewing Blogrush would point this kind of thing out, either from when they released information about how credits were being allocated, or when the stats went live, because it was obvious that there was a discrepancy in the numbers, and that large numbers of credits were being given away but not in the stats.

Apparently they will eventually have the stats included

http://www.income.com/blog/...

I broke down how the referral credits is most likely working here.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/09...

Whilst there might be small % differences in what I listed, the idea that somehow Blogrush are giving out 450% of the credits actually being earned in the system is... I am actually lost for words because I can't think of a way of writing it that wouldn't sound at least minimally insulting.

I am not using any complicated mathematics or voodoo magic to come up with the numbers.

As for relevance, that looks like a MFA keyword list.
The first on your list was farmer, yet it doesn't pull up any results
http://www.othersonline.com...

Your tag for farmer is also empty
http://www.othersonline.com...

You are not filling me with confidence if you are giving examples which don't actually help me.

If you are using auto-tagging, on this blog I have used paris hilton, britney, credit cards, etc for tagging various content, that does play havoc with relevance.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:00:27 -0000

Special Note: All Members are currently receiving BONUS CREDITS that are not yet reflected in these statistics.

Apparently they will eventually have the stats included

http://www.income.com/blog/...

I broke down how the referral credits is most likely working here.
http://andybeard.eu/2007/09...

I am not using any complicated mathematics or voodoo magic to come up with the numbers.

As for relevance, that looks like a MFA keyword list.
The first on your list was farmer, yet it doesn't pull up any results
http://www.othersonline.com...

Your tag for farmer is also empty
http://www.othersonline.com...

You are not filling me with confidence if you are giving examples which don't actually help me.

If you are using auto-tagging, on this blog I have used paris hilton, britney, credit cards, etc for tagging various content, that does play havoc with relevance.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Acopic Web Design — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:48:52 -0000

I have to say I'm not a big fan of services like Blogrush. They just feel like a pyramid scheme to me. I think services like this will only serve to harm blogging. More bad than good.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Acopic Web Design — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:48:52 -0000

I have to say I'm not a big fan of services like Blogrush. They just feel like a pyramid scheme to me. I think services like this will only serve to harm blogging. More bad than good.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Andy (Other one) — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:39:26 -0000

hi All,

Oh well I knew it would be to good to last. I've just had a porn blog link in my widget. Only one granted but considering the kind of system I run, one is one to many.
I'll need to remove until the situation concerning porn blogs are clarified. I'll retain the link for reference and e-mail it to the parties concerned who own blog rush if they see this as inappropriate linking.,br/>
I'm no prude but I have kids that have blogs at my place and I can' allow links of that nature.
Andy

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Andy (Other one) — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:39:26 -0000

hi All,

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:16:43 -0000

Hi Mike,

There is actually a link at the bottom of the page just below the download link, but no worries.

It only nofollows links within the content. To nofollow other links you need to make extensive use of the add_link_attribute plugin. I am not using it as much as I should be.

There are examples within the main SEO Masterclass article on how that works.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

AndyBeard — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:16:43 -0000

Hi Mike,

There is actually a link at the bottom of the page just below the download link, but no worries.

It only nofollows links within the content. To nofollow other links you need to make extensive use of the add_link_attribute plugin. I am not using it as much as I should be.

There are examples within the main SEO Masterclass article on how that works.

Re: Blogrush Testing and Tracking (Updated – John Reese Quote)

Mike Pedersen — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:56:38 -0000

Andy,

I apologize for the irrelevant comment, but you did not have comments enbabled on the post at http://andybeard.eu/wordpre....

My question is does the rel="nofollow" affect ALL links on the homepage? Like the nav links for instance? Thanks.