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I really appreciate the ability to "subscribe" (except when I made the mistake of subscribing to Liz's birthday bash, went to bed and found 328 emails when I woke up)!
I really appreciate the ability to "subscribe" (except when I made the mistake of subscribing to Liz's birthday bash, went to bed and found 328 emails when I woke up)!
More than unrelated links, it is the unrelated comments I see. It just tells me they did not take the time to read-they are not someone that will be part of the community.
It is like the MyBlogLog comments that say nice blog, but never visited it, just the community page.
More than unrelated links, it is the unrelated comments I see. It just tells me they did not take the time to read-they are not someone that will be part of the community.
It is like the MyBlogLog comments that say nice blog, but never visited it, just the community page.
It'll be interesting to compare her model with Perez Hilton or entertainment sites in general. 600 comments is sweet but tiny compared to a single one word blog post by Perez which received 7217 comments. They are left by real people who don't want anything from his site (traffic/links).
Are they still junk? Maybe.
Celebrity blogs are a riot.. I don't think I've ever seen a celeb blogger actually leave a comment as a response to their readers.
It'll be interesting to compare her model with Perez Hilton or entertainment sites in general. 600 comments is sweet but tiny compared to a single one word blog post by Perez which received 7217 comments. They are left by real people who don't want anything from his site (traffic/links).
Are they still junk? Maybe.
Celebrity blogs are a riot.. I don't think I've ever seen a celeb blogger actually leave a comment as a response to their readers.
Even if you are earning only 3% of your income from blogging, the comments are important. I have visitors finding my blog every day thanks to keywords in comments.
I don't think Pam knows much about the subject. I thought that she was working for Feldman though. Hmmm interesting.
Even if you are earning only 3% of your income from blogging, the comments are important. I have visitors finding my blog every day thanks to keywords in comments.
I don't think Pam knows much about the subject. I thought that she was working for Feldman though. Hmmm interesting.
I removed all the nofollow tags on my comments some time ago. To me I just didn't see the point. Comment spam get removed anyway, so why am I penalizing visitors who took the time not only to read my articles, but comment on them too? It's silly.
The introduction of nofollow sure did a bangup job of slowing down the flow of comment spam didn't it. *rolls eyes*
I removed all the nofollow tags on my comments some time ago. To me I just didn't see the point. Comment spam get removed anyway, so why am I penalizing visitors who took the time not only to read my articles, but comment on them too? It's silly.
The introduction of nofollow sure did a bangup job of slowing down the flow of comment spam didn't it. *rolls eyes*
They are wrong-- Pam is wrong. Why discount Pamela for her looks while giving the ugly fat guys a pass?
They are wrong-- Pam is wrong. Why discount Pamela for her looks while giving the ugly fat guys a pass?
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When I took the no follow off my blog, I didn't announce it. Even now I don't advertise that fact, though it's easy enough to check. I don't think "rewarding" folks for commenting is the point . . . I don't give folks a cookie for talking to me either. :) However, Andy, I agree that community and Do Follow seem to naturally go together. Yeah.
Those folks who write shallow comments for links tend to look like human spam to me. . . . Maybe I've been deleting them without realizing it. :)
My apologies to the folks who subscribed to the birthday party. I should have put a warning by the comment box that day. Please email me if my comment subscriptions ever become a burden.
I agree, by the way, that a link is deserved for the value of a great content found on your blog. :)
Andy, I just checked your subscription box.
When I took the no follow off my blog, I didn't announce it. Even now I don't advertise that fact, though it's easy enough to check. I don't think "rewarding" folks for commenting is the point . . . I don't give folks a cookie for talking to me either. :) However, Andy, I agree that community and Do Follow seem to naturally go together. Yeah.
Those folks who write shallow comments for links tend to look like human spam to me. . . . Maybe I've been deleting them without realizing it. :)
My apologies to the folks who subscribed to the birthday party. I should have put a warning by the comment box that day. Please email me if my comment subscriptions ever become a burden.
I agree, by the way, that a link is deserved for the value of a great content found on your blog. :)
Andy, I just checked your subscription box.
Someone made the comment over at Shoemoney that only webmasters, spammers, and techies leave links. In my world that's patently false. We leave links for each other often and I encourage it if it's something that will serve folks who read with more relevant content. I with you, Andy, on that.
For the most part, I can tell a human spammer or a google juice chaser, by seeing an unfamiliar name and checking the post on which the comment is made -- too often the statement is vague and the post is out of date. Bye to them. :)
Do follow is about connecting the web with relationships between people, blogs, and content. I didn't advertise when I turned it on. I don't make a big deal of it now. I would hope that folks comment because they have something to say -- just as they might in a real conversation.
And yes, I agree, Pam's opinion is off the mark . . . she's fabulous, intelligent, and I'd love to meet her. I just don't agree with her opinion on this.
Thank you, again, Andy.
It's a little misleading in that it works like this.
A) I answer my comments so about 48% of the comments are my replies.
B) Every Tuesday night I sit at my computer for about 4 hours hosting an open conversation. That is about 200 - 300 comments in one post every week.
Some comment conversations also go one for more than one day . . . like this one has been going on for more than one day.
There are as of now 2,194 posts. My usual schedule is 2 posts a day 7 days a week. I write for a living. I realize that most folks can't do that. :)
Someone made the comment over at Shoemoney that only webmasters, spammers, and techies leave links. In my world that's patently false. We leave links for each other often and I encourage it if it's something that will serve folks who read with more relevant content. I with you, Andy, on that.
For the most part, I can tell a human spammer or a google juice chaser, by seeing an unfamiliar name and checking the post on which the comment is made -- too often the statement is vague and the post is out of date. Bye to them. :)
Do follow is about connecting the web with relationships between people, blogs, and content. I didn't advertise when I turned it on. I don't make a big deal of it now. I would hope that folks comment because they have something to say -- just as they might in a real conversation.
And yes, I agree, Pam's opinion is off the mark . . . she's fabulous, intelligent, and I'd love to meet her. I just don't agree with her opinion on this.
Thank you, again, Andy.
It's a little misleading in that it works like this.
A) I answer my comments so about 48% of the comments are my replies.
B) Every Tuesday night I sit at my computer for about 4 hours hosting an open conversation. That is about 200 - 300 comments in one post every week.
Some comment conversations also go one for more than one day . . . like this one has been going on for more than one day.
There are as of now 2,194 posts. My usual schedule is 2 posts a day 7 days a week. I write for a living. I realize that most folks can't do that. :)
Me too! Uhh.. but probably not for the same reasons. :-)
Me too! Uhh.. but probably not for the same reasons. :-)
Still, if the subject of dofollow is going to be discussed on blogs, I think it would be better for someone to post about the advantages (or disadvantages) of dofollow and try to engage whatever the heck Pam might have meant to imply with her jejune eyerolls and name calling.
The dofollow movement is not just a blog circle jerk and no amount of eyerolling on the part of Pam would ever make it so.
I agree that it would be much better to engage people into a constructive discussions on our blogs. However I am not sure bloggers like Pam will be willing to participate....
It is interesting though that finally Shoemoney (with Pam's help) is taking a pop at do follow bloggers. I think maybe he (along with other A listers) are just plain jealous about the quality of comments on dofollow blogs. Just take for example this blog and compare to any posts on Shoemoney. As Andy said, if you encourage spam comments that is what you get.
Still, if the subject of dofollow is going to be discussed on blogs, I think it would be better for someone to post about the advantages (or disadvantages) of dofollow and try to engage whatever the heck Pam might have meant to imply with her jejune eyerolls and name calling.
The dofollow movement is not just a blog circle jerk and no amount of eyerolling on the part of Pam would ever make it so.
I agree that it would be much better to engage people into a constructive discussions on our blogs. However I am not sure bloggers like Pam will be willing to participate....
It is interesting though that finally Shoemoney (with Pam's help) is taking a pop at do follow bloggers. I think maybe he (along with other A listers) are just plain jealous about the quality of comments on dofollow blogs. Just take for example this blog and compare to any posts on Shoemoney. As Andy said, if you encourage spam comments that is what you get.
http://www.1938media.com/say-hi-to-pamcakes/
She doesn't exactly strike me as someone who is an established expert on SEO and niche marketing, ya know? I don't think any of us will be losing sleeping over her contrarian views on the dofollow movement. :-)
http://www.1938media.com/say-hi-to-pamcakes/
She doesn't exactly strike me as someone who is an established expert on SEO and niche marketing, ya know? I don't think any of us will be losing sleeping over her contrarian views on the dofollow movement. :-)
I would really like to see your detailed, neutral comments on Do follow.
I would really like to see your detailed, neutral comments on Do follow.
Did everyone every try to limit the comments to, e.g. 300 characters ? Did it hurt the quality or #Reader-to-#Comments ratio?
Bottom line: Quality blogging, commenting and trackbacking requires more time than most people are willing to put into.
--John
P.S.: Some say, you shouldn't ask questions in a comment. I say, why not. It can add value.
Did everyone every try to limit the comments to, e.g. 300 characters ? Did it hurt the quality or #Reader-to-#Comments ratio?
Bottom line: Quality blogging, commenting and trackbacking requires more time than most people are willing to put into.
--John
P.S.: Some say, you shouldn't ask questions in a comment. I say, why not. It can add value.
I agree with you that you or me posting a "rebuttal" to Pam's eyerolls and name calling is unlikely to get a response. That wouldn't be the purpose of such an essay. The purpose would be to explain the advantages to others interested in Dofollow.
If anything, Pam's discussion make more bloggers aware of the movement, and I'll see more downloads of Lucia's Linky Love!
I agree with you that you or me posting a "rebuttal" to Pam's eyerolls and name calling is unlikely to get a response. That wouldn't be the purpose of such an essay. The purpose would be to explain the advantages to others interested in Dofollow.
If anything, Pam's discussion make more bloggers aware of the movement, and I'll see more downloads of Lucia's Linky Love!
Just for the record, I'm not just looking for online marketing blogs. We're cataloging blogs from all topics. I'm looking forward to the Bumpzee OPML. I'll probably be joining the group (if you'll have me) later today.
Just for the record, I'm not just looking for online marketing blogs. We're cataloging blogs from all topics. I'm looking forward to the Bumpzee OPML. I'll probably be joining the group (if you'll have me) later today.
It's not like google could do anything about it anyway...
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It's not like google could do anything about it anyway...
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Not ask questions in comments? Why not? Comments are called, "The Conversation," aren't they? :)
Not ask questions in comments? Why not? Comments are called, "The Conversation," aren't they? :)
Lately I've found that most comments really just try to take advantage of things like the Top Commentator list on the sidebar or aren't as constructive.
Asking more "Questions" on your blog & creating controversy seems to be a good way to get constructive comments. Throw that in with some real good "meat & potatoes" posts & I think that makes a good combination.
Cheers
Stuart
Lately I've found that most comments really just try to take advantage of things like the Top Commentator list on the sidebar or aren't as constructive.
Asking more "Questions" on your blog & creating controversy seems to be a good way to get constructive comments. Throw that in with some real good "meat & potatoes" posts & I think that makes a good combination.
Cheers
Stuart
In my way of thinking if you're going to promote commenting on your blog you need to make it a two way street and that's where Do-Follow and especially that all important "Subscribe to Comments" comes in. And of course I was was having a bit of fun about the danger of subscribing to one of Liz's posts, something even she does from time to time. Not the first time I've been caught. Actually it makes following a hot topic of hers all the easier at times.
So who needs page rank when the company's so good I ask ya'?
In my way of thinking if you're going to promote commenting on your blog you need to make it a two way street and that's where Do-Follow and especially that all important "Subscribe to Comments" comes in. And of course I was was having a bit of fun about the danger of subscribing to one of Liz's posts, something even she does from time to time. Not the first time I've been caught. Actually it makes following a hot topic of hers all the easier at times.
So who needs page rank when the company's so good I ask ya'?
I read Andy's blog on my RSS feeder, but I don't think I've ever tried to comment. Some of the posts Andy has written are those that help teach me more about blogging, ways I can improve my posts etc. I wouldn't even attempt to comment, because trying to comment on topics that I don't fully understand, would likely make me appear to be making a pathetic attempt for a link.
It is frustrating to me to read posts from people claiming that dofollow blogs must be low/poor quality blogs, desperately seeking attention by any means possible. I've read many times in Darren Rowse' blog where even HE mentions cringing when going back and reading some of his older posts, knowing it could have been better. I haven't found a blogger yet who would make the claim that the moment they started their blog, that it was always the highest quality. We all start somewhere, improving as we go. Even professional journalists start off somewhere.
I read Andy's blog on my RSS feeder, but I don't think I've ever tried to comment. Some of the posts Andy has written are those that help teach me more about blogging, ways I can improve my posts etc. I wouldn't even attempt to comment, because trying to comment on topics that I don't fully understand, would likely make me appear to be making a pathetic attempt for a link.
It is frustrating to me to read posts from people claiming that dofollow blogs must be low/poor quality blogs, desperately seeking attention by any means possible. I've read many times in Darren Rowse' blog where even HE mentions cringing when going back and reading some of his older posts, knowing it could have been better. I haven't found a blogger yet who would make the claim that the moment they started their blog, that it was always the highest quality. We all start somewhere, improving as we go. Even professional journalists start off somewhere.
It would be nice if the major blogging platforms had something inbuilt to prevent this. Hopefully it would stop the bots because they would get less of a payoff.
It would be nice if the major blogging platforms had something inbuilt to prevent this. Hopefully it would stop the bots because they would get less of a payoff.
The ones I do have in the reader are impossible to read entirely. You miss stuff and if your subject is recent (a few days old), don't expect Google to show it near the top of the search results yet (with some exception with posts at very strong authority blogs).
De-linking a reference would not make sense, if the post that is referred to is on topic and adds value to the post itself. If it does not provide anything different or new to what you just wrote then it does not make much sense to keep the link to it intact. It would be like a "me too" reply to a forum post. Some blog comments (with and without links) are having not much more quality to it than those kind of replies, which annoys the heck out of me, if it is a post where a lot of people re engaged in a conversation.
I don't mind if those would be suppressed or deleted, even if their was no bad intent by the poster. It will not help the guys who signed up for email notification, but the guys that read the post at a later time. The exceptions are polls or similar posts that ask for this kind of feedback. That's my opinion which is probably not one of the popular ones.
p.s. I like the edit comment feature. Which plug-in is that? English is my second language and I see myself making errors pretty often. It's hard to read and double check in the relatively small text box where you enter your comment (the p.s. was added to my comment using this edit comment feature hehe).
The ones I do have in the reader are impossible to read entirely. You miss stuff and if your subject is recent (a few days old), don't expect Google to show it near the top of the search results yet (with some exception with posts at very strong authority blogs).
De-linking a reference would not make sense, if the post that is referred to is on topic and adds value to the post itself. If it does not provide anything different or new to what you just wrote then it does not make much sense to keep the link to it intact. It would be like a "me too" reply to a forum post. Some blog comments (with and without links) are having not much more quality to it than those kind of replies, which annoys the heck out of me, if it is a post where a lot of people re engaged in a conversation.
I don't mind if those would be suppressed or deleted, even if their was no bad intent by the poster. It will not help the guys who signed up for email notification, but the guys that read the post at a later time. The exceptions are polls or similar posts that ask for this kind of feedback. That's my opinion which is probably not one of the popular ones.
p.s. I like the edit comment feature. Which plug-in is that? English is my second language and I see myself making errors pretty often. It's hard to read and double check in the relatively small text box where you enter your comment (the p.s. was added to my comment using this edit comment feature hehe).
I might allow trackback to have a followed link, as this will encourage people to link to me.
I might allow trackback to have a followed link, as this will encourage people to link to me.
So with that said it reminds me of the movie the bucket list
A story from the ancient Egyptians -- there are two questions asked of the soul at the end of this life:
"Did you find joy?"
"Did you bring joy to the lives of others?"
That's what it is all about.
So with that said it reminds me of the movie the bucket list
A story from the ancient Egyptians -- there are two questions asked of the soul at the end of this life:
"Did you find joy?"
"Did you bring joy to the lives of others?"
That's what it is all about.
One question though, and maybe this is because I'm fairly new the blogging scene, but I don't think I know how to leave a trackback? Maybe you've covered it in an older post, but I didn't see it.
Perhaps this could be the inspiration for a new trackback tutorial post if it does not exist already, lol.
BTW, I learn all about all of the etiquette of blogging from sites like yours. Thanks. Keep it up!
One question though, and maybe this is because I'm fairly new the blogging scene, but I don't think I know how to leave a trackback? Maybe you've covered it in an older post, but I didn't see it.
Perhaps this could be the inspiration for a new trackback tutorial post if it does not exist already, lol.
BTW, I learn all about all of the etiquette of blogging from sites like yours. Thanks. Keep it up!
I rarely pay attention to whether a blog has follow or no follow. It's the content that keeps me coming back, and the conversation in the comments as well.
I rarely pay attention to whether a blog has follow or no follow. It's the content that keeps me coming back, and the conversation in the comments as well.