Andy Beard - Internet Business Systems Discussion - Latest Comments in Banned By Google

Re: Banned By Google

andrew goulding — Fri, 23 May 2008 21:10:24 -0000

Dear Andy J.

Yes, I'd be happy to do that but if I do, I'd like something in return. No, I don't want a freebie, to post to your list or for you to join my religion / political party / network marketing home business opportunity.

Instead, I'd like to swap a couple of hour of my time for a couple of hours of yours...and I'll provide a detailed analysis of your video in return for you taking a peek at (and hopefully offering a few lines of review for) my book & pop soundtrack album, The View From Bondi.

http://www.andrewgoulding.c...

As a former film editor, I think that, at the very least, you'll find it "interesting" as The View From Bondi is impressionistic, bordering on being a surreal musical. It's biggest influences are Dennis Potter's "The Singing Detective" 1986 BBC-TV (dir. Jon Amiel) & Tarantino's peerless "Pulp Fiction" movie, 1994. The View From Bondi is hip, funny, heart-felt and very er...different.

So, if you're interested in my audacious hustle or even want to just monitor my bizarre niche marketing experiment (I've got a viral marketing twist planned that could well be of interest to the Stompernet think-tank), drop me a line for a freebie review copy.

ADG

Re: Banned By Google

andrew goulding — Fri, 23 May 2008 21:10:24 -0000

Dear Andy J.

http://www.andrewgoulding.c...

ADG

Re: Banned By Google

Andy Jenkins — Sat, 17 May 2008 16:50:21 -0000

Andrew Goulding,

Appreciate the honesty, but what would help me (if you're interested) is a few examples of where you thought the AdWords video turned to fluff.

Obviously, we can't please everyone, and I've been in media for a LONG time and can appreciate your perspective.

So, if you've got some time, I'd appreciate some specifics so I can work those filters into our next presentation.

Best,

Andy Jenkins
StomperNet

Re: Banned By Google

Andy Jenkins — Sat, 17 May 2008 16:50:21 -0000

Andrew Goulding,

Appreciate the honesty, but what would help me (if you're interested) is a few examples of where you thought the AdWords video turned to fluff.

Obviously, we can't please everyone, and I've been in media for a LONG time and can appreciate your perspective.

So, if you've got some time, I'd appreciate some specifics so I can work those filters into our next presentation.

Best,

Andy Jenkins
StomperNet

Re: Banned By Google

Flash Website Designer — Wed, 14 May 2008 18:14:09 -0000

I thought you had been kicked off google from your headline. This is a good blog and excellent proof that google isn't the be all and end all of online marketing.

Re: Banned By Google

Flash Website Designer — Wed, 14 May 2008 18:14:09 -0000

I thought you had been kicked off google from your headline. This is a good blog and excellent proof that google isn't the be all and end all of online marketing.

Re: Banned By Google

Jag — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:26:59 -0000

I thought the opening was a very good one - sense of foreboding. And creating of questions in the watcher's mind. Albeit melodramatic though.

I'm not really into adwords, but a good video nevertheless.

Jag

Re: Banned By Google

Jag — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:26:59 -0000

I thought the opening was a very good one - sense of foreboding. And creating of questions in the watcher's mind. Albeit melodramatic though.

I'm not really into adwords, but a good video nevertheless.

Jag

Re: Banned By Google

barracuda bill — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:45:49 -0000

you can get banned from google? holy crap! gotta shape up.

Re: Banned By Google

barracuda bill — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:45:49 -0000

you can get banned from google? holy crap! gotta shape up.

Re: Banned By Google

SolarDave — Wed, 14 May 2008 01:22:09 -0000

Thanks for posting that video. I didn't know about that MSN tool that tells you buyers intent before.

The video is good, but it still leaves me with a feeling after an hour of watching like a snake oil salesman has been talking to me just a little.

Dave

Re: Banned By Google

SolarDave — Wed, 14 May 2008 01:22:09 -0000

Thanks for posting that video. I didn't know about that MSN tool that tells you buyers intent before.

The video is good, but it still leaves me with a feeling after an hour of watching like a snake oil salesman has been talking to me just a little.

Dave

Re: Banned By Google

andrew goulding — Tue, 13 May 2008 19:16:20 -0000

Point taken, Andy.

Nevertheless, these long videos somehow seem to add some kind of credibility to the exponential increase in internet marketing courses.

What was a $97 info-product a couple of years ago is now $1,000, with many seeming to use the Frank Kern model of "give", "give", "give", seeming overdelivery.

It's not that I'm averse to high ticket marketing, not at all. However, Perry Marshall (Adwords guru) does it so much more tastefully (and in my eyes, ultimately, honestly) by funneling folks in via his low-cost Adwords course and gradually opening them to more intensive, costly courses. His marketing is modest but very powerful and highly effective.

Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of respect for the Stompernet folk. Dan Theis, Leslie Rohde, Brad & Andy have been innovative and have helped many people over the years with their sound advice. It's just that I don't like their style of marketing, which, I feel, diminishes their considerable skills.

Stompernet is great value for some people...but it's too intense for many others...and their style of marketing, to me, passively intimidates, rather than convinces.

They've set themselves up as a fantastic think-tank for the changing medium of web marketing. I don't have a problem with that, at all. However, it's the selling of that idea that doesn't sit right with me.

ADG

Re: Banned By Google

andrew goulding — Tue, 13 May 2008 19:16:20 -0000

Point taken, Andy.

Nevertheless, these long videos somehow seem to add some kind of credibility to the exponential increase in internet marketing courses.

What was a $97 info-product a couple of years ago is now $1,000, with many seeming to use the Frank Kern model of "give", "give", "give", seeming overdelivery.

Stompernet is great value for some people...but it's too intense for many others...and their style of marketing, to me, passively intimidates, rather than convinces.

ADG

Re: Banned By Google

AndyBeard — Tue, 13 May 2008 08:49:58 -0000

Andrew it certainly could be looked on like that, but also understand that the video itself is part of the pre-qualification process.
The amount of fluff really depends on what methods of information gathering stimulate your learning process.

People frequently sit through sessions at conferences to learn just a few simple new techniques that could be condensed down into a few bullet points.

I bet a number of people have watched the video end to end multiple times. I have only watched it twice so far.

Re: Banned By Google

AndyBeard — Tue, 13 May 2008 08:49:58 -0000

People frequently sit through sessions at conferences to learn just a few simple new techniques that could be condensed down into a few bullet points.

I bet a number of people have watched the video end to end multiple times. I have only watched it twice so far.

Re: Banned By Google

andrew goulding — Tue, 13 May 2008 08:34:19 -0000

May I just add that as someone who's worked in television for many years, I find the idea of a 57 minute internet video appalling. Honestly, if you take away Stompernet's hype, the story's just bloated and poorly constructed.

Come on, we all know that most quality current affairs journalists can do a good story in 7 minutes and a great story in 10. Hell, I've seen Academy Award-winning documentaries that clock in at less time than that video.

These type of videos are the equivalent of the John Reese 72(?) page salesletter for Traffic Secrets, a million dollar earner, yes, but an abomination!

As a long-time student of media & mass media, I feel that these types of videos, almost irrespective of their content, are, in the end, terribly manipulative...and that's a shame, because information can be distributed simply and clearly. It's a question of discipline, taste and respect for the reader/viewer.

ADG

Re: Banned By Google

andrew goulding — Tue, 13 May 2008 08:34:19 -0000

These type of videos are the equivalent of the John Reese 72(?) page salesletter for Traffic Secrets, a million dollar earner, yes, but an abomination!

ADG

Re: Banned By Google

Wes — Tue, 13 May 2008 02:17:27 -0000

WOW
thanks for the post, I so out of with SEO, i wasn't aware he had got banned, this was his flagship wasn't it that launched him.

Re: Banned By Google

Wes — Tue, 13 May 2008 02:17:27 -0000

WOW
thanks for the post, I so out of with SEO, i wasn't aware he had got banned, this was his flagship wasn't it that launched him.

Re: Banned By Google

Zack Roberts — Sun, 11 May 2008 13:23:06 -0000

I am under the impression that Google never actually bans. I've seen proof of it. All it does is to "penalise" for a specific amount of time

Re: Banned By Google

Zack Roberts — Sun, 11 May 2008 13:23:06 -0000

I am under the impression that Google never actually bans. I've seen proof of it. All it does is to "penalise" for a specific amount of time

Re: Banned By Google

StyleSwag Magazine — Fri, 09 May 2008 19:48:15 -0000

Banned from Google???!!! I'm having enough trouble figuring what to do to please them. I can't imagine how I would figure out what I did to piss them off, especially since they have such a bad rep about responding to inquiries.

Re: Banned By Google

StyleSwag Magazine — Fri, 09 May 2008 19:48:15 -0000

Re: Banned By Google

Mark — Fri, 09 May 2008 18:39:38 -0000

Fascinating video! Google acting late as usual, but it is nice to hear more and more information about Google not being the end all and be all of SEO.