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Andy Beard - Internet Business Systems Discussion: Akismet False Positives & Spam Karma Configuration

  • Chris · 2 years ago
    Oddly, I've never used Spam Karma, and for now my current combination works quite well: 500spams in Akismet> 1 or 2.

    I found Bad Behavior to have an immediate effect, although it did have a problem with Indian IP's for some reason. The latest version appears to have cured that.
  • Chris · 2 years ago
    Oddly, I've never used Spam Karma, and for now my current combination works quite well: 500spams in Akismet> 1 or 2.

    I found Bad Behavior to have an immediate effect, although it did have a problem with Indian IP's for some reason. The latest version appears to have cured that.
  • engtech @ internet duct tape · 2 years ago
    If you're stuck with Akismet as your only solution, turning off comments on older posts really seems to be working at cutting out 90% of spam.
  • engtech @ internet duct tape · 2 years ago
    If you're stuck with Akismet as your only solution, turning off comments on older posts really seems to be working at cutting out 90% of spam.
  • Derek Wong · 2 years ago
    many of whom are young males, who spend far too much time in dark rooms lit only by the glare from their computers.

    That got my attention real quick. Because that's me. Right now at 7:30 AM because I usually want to check to see that my server is still connected. :P

    In any case thanks for sharing. I think that I will definitely have to take a look at this plugin later (right now all I'm doing is using Akismet because it has worked for me).

    On another note, I'd like to say that even though you are generally an SEO-targeted blog, I have enjoyed that you also cover a larger number of topics, especially wordpress-related things. It spices things up and makes your blog that much more interesting.
  • Derek Wong · 2 years ago
    many of whom are young males, who spend far too much time in dark rooms lit only by the glare from their computers.

    That got my attention real quick. Because that's me. Right now at 7:30 AM because I usually want to check to see that my server is still connected. :P

    In any case thanks for sharing. I think that I will definitely have to take a look at this plugin later (right now all I'm doing is using Akismet because it has worked for me).

    On another note, I'd like to say that even though you are generally an SEO-targeted blog, I have enjoyed that you also cover a larger number of topics, especially wordpress-related things. It spices things up and makes your blog that much more interesting.
  • Tobsy · 2 years ago
    I'll give it a try. The amount of spam is really getting out of hand. Thanks Andy.
  • Tobsy · 2 years ago
    I'll give it a try. The amount of spam is really getting out of hand. Thanks Andy.
  • Arpit Jacob · 2 years ago
    I use akismet and simple spam Filter since the amountof spam cought by akismet is too overwhleming to wade through

    http://tantannoodles.com/toolkit/spam-filter/
  • Arpit Jacob · 2 years ago
    I use akismet and simple spam Filter since the amountof spam cought by akismet is too overwhleming to wade through

    http://tantannoodles.com/toolkit/spam-filter/
  • Vlad · 2 years ago
    Thanks Andy, this is just what I was looking for.
  • Vlad · 2 years ago
    Thanks Andy, this is just what I was looking for.
  • Opal: Vegan Momma · 2 years ago
    I really like Spam Karma I've been using it since last year.

    I have the same issue with Akismet on a few blogs visit it views me as spam. I've commented on numerous blogs over the past few years I really didn't think I would be still facing this issue.

    On average, I receive at least 100 spam daily.
  • Opal: Vegan Momma · 2 years ago
    I really like Spam Karma I've been using it since last year.

    I have the same issue with Akismet on a few blogs visit it views me as spam. I've commented on numerous blogs over the past few years I really didn't think I would be still facing this issue.

    On average, I receive at least 100 spam daily.
  • Vlad · 2 years ago
    Andy i have just configured the SK and was not able to recover the trackback from http://andybeard.eu/2007/03/ugly-in-pink.html

    You can ping my blog again. I have configured the plugin exactly as it shown in the screen shot, I am keeping my fingers crossed.
  • Vlad · 2 years ago
    Andy i have just configured the SK and was not able to recover the trackback from http://andybeard.eu/2007/03/ugly-in-pink.html

    You can ping my blog again. I have configured the plugin exactly as it shown in the screen shot, I am keeping my fingers crossed.
  • Sunny · 2 years ago
    Thanks for this post. First impression is that this is very useful information. I am in the process of migrating to wordpress, so I will keep spam karma in mind.
  • Sunny · 2 years ago
    Thanks for this post. First impression is that this is very useful information. I am in the process of migrating to wordpress, so I will keep spam karma in mind.
  • Randa Clay · 2 years ago
    Looks like this is something I'm going to have to check out. Thanks for providing all your settings, that's especially helpful.
  • Randa Clay · 2 years ago
    Looks like this is something I'm going to have to check out. Thanks for providing all your settings, that's especially helpful.
  • Franck Silvestre · 2 years ago
    I never used Aksimet. I just moderate my comments on a daily basis.

    I bulk delete the spam and approve the good comments. It takes me 1 minute per day.

    For now, I will stay like this.
  • Franck Silvestre · 2 years ago
    I never used Aksimet. I just moderate my comments on a daily basis.

    I bulk delete the spam and approve the good comments. It takes me 1 minute per day.

    For now, I will stay like this.
  • Tobsy · 2 years ago
    Okay, I installed it yesterday, configured it, and until now I haven't had to deal with one single spam comment. Everything works perfect, no false positives.

    Thanks again Andy. Exactly what I was looking (and hoping) for.
  • Tobsy · 2 years ago
    Okay, I installed it yesterday, configured it, and until now I haven't had to deal with one single spam comment. Everything works perfect, no false positives.

    Thanks again Andy. Exactly what I was looking (and hoping) for.
  • Meg · 2 years ago
    Hi Andy

    Another great "how to" article. One good thing about setting up a new blog, is that it takes a while for the spammers to catch up. Consequently, I've only had 450 spam in the last 4 weeks, but will certainly look at this plugin when it becomes necessary.

    BTW, I had to fish one of your comments out of Akismet too. Was really surprised to see it there! But the false positives are fewer as time goes on.
  • Meg · 2 years ago
    Hi Andy

    Another great "how to" article. One good thing about setting up a new blog, is that it takes a while for the spammers to catch up. Consequently, I've only had 450 spam in the last 4 weeks, but will certainly look at this plugin when it becomes necessary.

    BTW, I had to fish one of your comments out of Akismet too. Was really surprised to see it there! But the false positives are fewer as time goes on.
  • HMTKSteve · 2 years ago
    I get over 1,000 spam comments every day. I used to be able to wade through them to find any false positives but now, I don't have the time to sift through 50 pages of possible spam comments!

    I trust Akismet to weed out the bad stuff.
  • HMTKSteve · 2 years ago
    I get over 1,000 spam comments every day. I used to be able to wade through them to find any false positives but now, I don't have the time to sift through 50 pages of possible spam comments!

    I trust Akismet to weed out the bad stuff.
  • guilherme · 2 years ago
    akismet blacklisted me.. but i'm not a spammer..
  • guilherme · 2 years ago
    akismet blacklisted me.. but i'm not a spammer..
  • Leo Plaw · 2 years ago
    Andy, as for your comment about eyeballs on those spam links, this logic seems to fail when one has to go through the initial period of "teaching" Spam Karma what is good and what is not. So those same weak willed people illuminated in their dark rooms are still prone to looking at the same links.

    Secondly, there never is a silver bullet for spam. It is the nature of the internet, especially for something as freely available as Spam Karma. Spammers simple pay for programmers to look for the exploits and write a script to take advantage.

    I'll be writing up more on my own blog.
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Leo I would disagree with that

    Trackbacks from splogs need some training certainly, but I think in the time I have been running Spam Karma, on multiple domains, I doubt more than 5 potentially offensive spam messages have got through... and I don't use Akismet as an additional filter.

    Most spammers spend as little time on each site as possible, and don't fake the javascript, so Spam Karma stops most of that stuff dead.

    I have some public blogs listed in my MBL profile, which use Dofollow, have some reasonable pagerank, and comments are swiched on, even on old content.

    At least one of those blogs I haven't even visited in a month.

    In fact I should do a couple of upgrades on them, but I wouldn't have to visit them to check my spam filters for false positives every couple of days.
  • Leo Plaw · 2 years ago
    Andy, as for your comment about eyeballs on those spam links, this logic seems to fail when one has to go through the initial period of "teaching" Spam Karma what is good and what is not. So those same weak willed people illuminated in their dark rooms are still prone to looking at the same links.

    Secondly, there never is a silver bullet for spam. It is the nature of the internet, especially for something as freely available as Spam Karma. Spammers simple pay for programmers to look for the exploits and write a script to take advantage.

    I'll be writing up more on my own blog.
  • AndyBeard · 2 years ago
    Leo I would disagree with that

    Trackbacks from splogs need some training certainly, but I think in the time I have been running Spam Karma, on multiple domains, I doubt more than 5 potentially offensive spam messages have got through... and I don't use Akismet as an additional filter.

    Most spammers spend as little time on each site as possible, and don't fake the javascript, so Spam Karma stops most of that stuff dead.

    I have some public blogs listed in my MBL profile, which use Dofollow, have some reasonable pagerank, and comments are swiched on, even on old content.

    At least one of those blogs I haven't even visited in a month.

    In fact I should do a couple of upgrades on them, but I wouldn't have to visit them to check my spam filters for false positives every couple of days.
  • Las Vegas Guy · 2 years ago
    I'm converting my site to drupal and was going to install askimet. My current site gets spammed A LOT and any help I can get I'll take. It does concern me that I may lose potential clients by the spam blocker, but the gains outweigh the negatives. I know that some spam will still get through, but at least if the majority of it is gone than I can handle the rest.
  • Las Vegas Guy · 2 years ago
    I'm converting my site to drupal and was going to install askimet. My current site gets spammed A LOT and any help I can get I'll take. It does concern me that I may lose potential clients by the spam blocker, but the gains outweigh the negatives. I know that some spam will still get through, but at least if the majority of it is gone than I can handle the rest.
  • Rebecca · 2 years ago
    I had to laugh at the comment about young males being trapped in dark rooms for too long - I guess being female helps in this instance :-)

    I do like akismet, and haven't found too many false positives. Though I must admit to not always looking through them properly when the volume of spam got too high
  • Rebecca · 2 years ago
    I had to laugh at the comment about young males being trapped in dark rooms for too long - I guess being female helps in this instance :-)

    I do like akismet, and haven't found too many false positives. Though I must admit to not always looking through them properly when the volume of spam got too high
  • Dan Thies · 2 years ago
    You know, I'd be happy if I could find one comment spam plug-in that consistently recognized the posts that say:

    I couldn't understand some parts of... (etc.)

    The exact phrase. Exactly the same every time. Yet NONE of them catches it consistently. I mean honestly, how hard could it be? You know EXACTLY what it's going to say!

    I usually fish about 1 in 100 Akismet "spams" out as a legit comment, and I find that Akismet does save me some time. I'm gonna give the Auntie a try.
  • Dan Thies · 2 years ago
    You know, I'd be happy if I could find one comment spam plug-in that consistently recognized the posts that say:

    I couldn't understand some parts of... (etc.)

    The exact phrase. Exactly the same every time. Yet NONE of them catches it consistently. I mean honestly, how hard could it be? You know EXACTLY what it's going to say!

    I usually fish about 1 in 100 Akismet "spams" out as a legit comment, and I find that Akismet does save me some time. I'm gonna give the Auntie a try.
  • Maciej MiÄ…sik · 1 year ago
    Well, I started with Spam Karma and was happy with until one bad day came - my hosting provider closed my account because it was using too much of CPU resources, mostly because of DB queries generated by spambots and Spam Karma fighting them. Changing the hosting company isn't an easy task, especially when you want to get you site running again - I had to get rid of Spam Karma and switch to Akismet.

    The biggest problem with Akismet is that once one of my regular commenters gets flagged as spammer (with no apparent reason), he stays flagged that way no matter how often I "no spam" him. Akismet is supposed to learn but I have yet to see the results of those lessons.
  • Maciej MiÄ…sik · 1 year ago
    Well, I started with Spam Karma and was happy with until one bad day came - my hosting provider closed my account because it was using too much of CPU resources, mostly because of DB queries generated by spambots and Spam Karma fighting them. Changing the hosting company isn't an easy task, especially when you want to get you site running again - I had to get rid of Spam Karma and switch to Akismet.

    The biggest problem with Akismet is that once one of my regular commenters gets flagged as spammer (with no apparent reason), he stays flagged that way no matter how often I "no spam" him. Akismet is supposed to learn but I have yet to see the results of those lessons.
  • caryscott · 1 year ago
    I just wrote a little piece about Askimet. I was wondering if you have noticed the same phenomenon as I have. I seem to have very little spam on my WordPress blogs until the day that I activate Askimet. The day after it's activated Askimet is already catching an unusual increased amount of spam. After this 3rd time of noticing this happening I wrote a little note to Askimet.

    The artlicle is called Askimet, are you sending me spam. All last week Google listed my article in the #1 spot when typing in "askimet sending spam." Today the listing magically and completely disappeared from Google -- are they protecting an advertiser. Hmmm... Any thoughts?
  • caryscott · 1 year ago
    I just wrote a little piece about Askimet. I was wondering if you have noticed the same phenomenon as I have. I seem to have very little spam on my WordPress blogs until the day that I activate Askimet. The day after it's activated Askimet is already catching an unusual increased amount of spam. After this 3rd time of noticing this happening I wrote a little note to Askimet.

    The artlicle is called Askimet, are you sending me spam. All last week Google listed my article in the #1 spot when typing in "askimet sending spam." Today the listing magically and completely disappeared from Google -- are they protecting an advertiser. Hmmm... Any thoughts?
  • Zubair · 1 year ago
    Great post :)

    But i really prefer Akismet over other spam protection :)

    The latest version of Akismet is very neat and improved.
  • Zubair · 1 year ago
    Great post :)

    But i really prefer Akismet over other spam protection :)

    The latest version of Akismet is very neat and improved.
  • Reginald · 1 year ago
    Are you saying that 'Span Karma' allows more spams and is not as particular as Askimet?

    If that's the case, why would I want that?
  • Reginald · 1 year ago
    Are you saying that 'Span Karma' allows more spams and is not as particular as Askimet?

    If that's the case, why would I want that?
  • Dan - Life Coaching · 1 year ago
    I notice that Spam Karma is not going to be supported beyond the next release - with wordpress 2.5 on the horizon, does this mean we'll need to consider alternatives??
  • Dan - Life Coaching · 1 year ago
    I notice that Spam Karma is not going to be supported beyond the next release - with wordpress 2.5 on the horizon, does this mean we'll need to consider alternatives??
  • GettyCash · 1 year ago
    My blog is new and Askimet marked my comment as SPAM. I only post my comment once in awhile. :(
  • GettyCash · 1 year ago
    My blog is new and Askimet marked my comment as SPAM. I only post my comment once in awhile. :(
  • Teri Orlando Florida · 1 year ago
    Spam no matter where it comes from is a pain. But for the few times this has flagged you I wonder if it will continue to have value. This may be over my expertise but I will ask the people I trust that monitor the site to let me know what they think. Thanks for the heads up.
  • Teri Orlando Florida · 1 year ago
    Spam no matter where it comes from is a pain. But for the few times this has flagged you I wonder if it will continue to have value. This may be over my expertise but I will ask the people I trust that monitor the site to let me know what they think. Thanks for the heads up.
  • Steve Scheer, Denver CO · 1 year ago
    I have the askimet on one of my blogs and there are indeed some false positives and sometimes things get through as well that shouldn't. I think I will look into the spam karma one that you mention.
  • Steve Scheer, Denver CO · 1 year ago
    I have the askimet on one of my blogs and there are indeed some false positives and sometimes things get through as well that shouldn't. I think I will look into the spam karma one that you mention.
  • Ann, Portsmouth NH · 1 year ago
    I've heard from friends that have used Askimet that they receive a good number of false positives. One of them continued receiving what he thought was a very high number of them so he quit using it, and I never tried it out because of his experience. I've just recently been reading some better reviews on spam karma, and now that I've read this post, I might check them out myself.

    Thanks for the info.
  • Ann, Portsmouth NH · 1 year ago
    I've heard from friends that have used Askimet that they receive a good number of false positives. One of them continued receiving what he thought was a very high number of them so he quit using it, and I never tried it out because of his experience. I've just recently been reading some better reviews on spam karma, and now that I've read this post, I might check them out myself.

    Thanks for the info.
  • Susan · 1 year ago
    I did the same thing you did and used a blog I haven't even setup yet to test how it was handling comments and yep...went straight to spam. I've been doing a lot of tests and I'm really unhappy with the results.
  • Susan · 1 year ago
    I did the same thing you did and used a blog I haven't even setup yet to test how it was handling comments and yep...went straight to spam. I've been doing a lot of tests and I'm really unhappy with the results.
  • yorumla · 1 year ago
    Andy, as for your comment about eyeballs on those spam links, this logic seems to fail when one has to go through the initial period of "teaching" Spam Karma what is good and what is not. So those same weak willed people illuminated in their dark rooms are still prone to looking at the same links.
  • yorumla · 1 year ago
    Andy, as for your comment about eyeballs on those spam links, this logic seems to fail when one has to go through the initial period of "teaching" Spam Karma what is good and what is not. So those same weak willed people illuminated in their dark rooms are still prone to looking at the same links.
  • KeyifKafe · 1 year ago
    Sadly a lot of people due :(

    Dateline did an interesting story about catching an ID Thief and started tracking back the spam and just kept following the trail 2 years later and in Africa they “met” the closest person to the organization who in the end admitted what it was and said, “What are you going to do about it?” and left the room.

    Scary -
  • KeyifKafe · 1 year ago
    Sadly a lot of people due :(

    Dateline did an interesting story about catching an ID Thief and started tracking back the spam and just kept following the trail 2 years later and in Africa they “met” the closest person to the organization who in the end admitted what it was and said, “What are you going to do about it?” and left the room.

    Scary -